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Old 04-24-2020, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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This is why I am getting concerned.

On the one hand.. people want to keep doing what we are doing. But that, isn't working. It is just slowing things down.

So it seems like this is just going to extend forever.
I think we’ll have treatment and a vaccine in months—perhaps in December. I think we will have a new normal for longer than we would like.
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Old 04-25-2020, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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You can’t seriously be considering religion through all of this.
I have no idea what you're asking.

If you're ready to dismiss the First Amendment, that the freedom to practice religion is a silly idea, you live in the wrong country.
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Old 04-25-2020, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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This is why I am getting concerned.

On the one hand.. people want to keep doing what we are doing. But that, isn't working. It is just slowing things down.

So it seems like this is just going to extend forever.
I know you're concerned. This is indeed a serious global problem. If everyone on the planet stayed isolated for a month, it will not stop infections. There are asymptomatic carriers all over the planet now. Those that are sick will be easily identified, because we know who they are when they turn up in the hospitals or clinics. Those that never get sick and spread it? That's what makes this disease so insidious.

There has to be a combination of responses. Testing being the most important, isolating the the infected, finding the asymptomatic and testing essential workers regularly. It will slow the spread significantly. The second response would be for people who are retired to stay home. I don't plan on going anywhere for months if not even a year. Yes it's tough, but we have to do it. I've been wearing an N95 and gloves for months now when I have to grocery shop. Everyone should have an N95. It is the most effective mask to stop the spread. Cloth masks are a joke. Everyone out in public should be wearing one. I have a friend who is high risk with heart disease. He has an N95 but uses a bandana instead. Lordy, why? He was a paramedic he should know better. If you have one, use it. Nobody wants your left over used N95's from your projects.

Unfortunately, there are it's all about me and my freedom crowd and everyone else be damned. They don't care who they infect because they're just selfish jerks. We can't eliminate that mentality nor that idiot factor. That means the rest of us have to work harder to contain this dragon of a SARS virus.

The 1917-1918 flu pandemic was just as destructive because the technology wasn't there, yet, it eventually burned itself out when it ran out of victims. We have the technology, the knowledge, but we need the cooperation of everyone on the planet to stop this. We can burn it out sooner rather than later with the right response. We need to follow other models in countries that have done a better job.
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Old 04-25-2020, 12:49 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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I assume in about 8 to 12 months they will have a vaccine for the virus that will be about 40%/50% effective and we will go on with our lives as we have with the annual flu shot. Also, just like the flu shot many will not get the shot and suffer the consequences, but life will get back to normal until the next pandemic.
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Old 04-25-2020, 01:00 PM
 
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You are correct - it would in theory, but impossible to enforce in practice. First, it has to be done for the whole world consistently. Who is going to enforce that? Even the leader of your country is undermining the authority of the WHO; do we then expect Belarus or Brazil to listen to their advice? Trump messed up everything by undermining them. Secondly, transporting the severe cases to hospital inevitably exposes others to infection, unless your total isolation plan involves letting the severely ill die at home.
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Old 04-25-2020, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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It would be impossible to do because some people with it, will need to go to hospitals (those with severe cases). There are other non-covid patients that need to go to hospitals too, so there would be a risk of spread there. There are some jobs like manufacturing that people need to go to work (or you and everyone else will die from starvation); there is a risk of spread there (which has happened). Some people live in areas where there isn't delivery available (or they don't have the technology for delivery), so there will be risk of spread to some degree in stores. So it would not be practical for everyone to quarantine for 1 month, even hypothetically.
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Old 04-25-2020, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Townsville
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Perhaps a dumb question to ask but why should a vaccine for Covid-19 take months or years to develop? As long as many medical brains are experimenting round-the-clock in their labs ...why isn't it feasible that they could just as well come up with a vaccine tomorrow or even within the hour? Why the almost official word of 'no vaccine for another 12-18 months?
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Old 04-25-2020, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Cheektowaga, NY
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Perhaps a dumb question to ask but why should a vaccine for Covid-19 take months or years to develop? As long as many medical brains are experimenting round-the-clock in their labs ...why isn't it feasible that they could just as well come up with a vaccine tomorrow or even within the hour? Why the almost official word of 'no vaccine for another 12-18 months?
a vaccine needs pretty extensive testing before it can be turned loose on the public.
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Old 04-25-2020, 09:14 PM
 
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I really don't know how more homeless aren't dead from this. Did all countries shelter them? The number should be in the millions or tens of millions with all the poverty around the world.
Homeless people build up a strong immunity.

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Thing is, where did virus actually come from. WHO says - bats. Will bats be gone? Or, whatever else source for it?
You know, there are pretty solid pointers that it appeared in several places across the world simultaneously. What will prevent same from happening again?
The only way is to let it weather out naturally, by developing natural immunity to it. Any infection specialist will tell you that, when virus enters healthy strong body, it's virulence is reduced and when it goes out, it's much weaker.

Look at Sweden. Or, Belarus. They do fine.
Do you know about the labs in Wuhan? Or has invested in them?

If not do a little research.
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Old 04-25-2020, 09:37 PM
 
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Perhaps a dumb question to ask but why should a vaccine for Covid-19 take months or years to develop? As long as many medical brains are experimenting round-the-clock in their labs ...why isn't it feasible that they could just as well come up with a vaccine tomorrow or even within the hour? Why the almost official word of 'no vaccine for another 12-18 months?
It's an optimistic guess based on best evidence in other vaccines.

There never has been a successful vaccine of similar coronaviruses', and there is a chance this one will never come to fruition either.
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