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Old 04-22-2020, 11:16 PM
 
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If nobody saw anyone, the virus wouldn’t spread. Yet we have states ready to open. That undoes all the social distancing we have been doing.

Let’s say the world followed the strictest guidelines. No grocery shopping. You have to have groceries delivered. Or stock up for a month.

If we all did what we were supposed to do, then would the virus still be here?

I even think that people going to beaches and breaking rules should suffer the most dire consequences.
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Old 04-22-2020, 11:54 PM
 
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I have to assume its all part of the plan...let these places re open and watch the virus explode all over the country...ultimately turning a very bad pandemic into an extinction level crisis, (not so much due to the virus, as the govts response), then, places will be forced to shut down again, probably for much longer this time.
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Old 04-23-2020, 11:28 AM
 
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It would spread anyway, because you cannot realistically isolate 100% of the population 100% of the time, even for a month. Food must be produced, processed, delivered. Gas and electricity must be kept online. Mobile people will spread it.

When everyone came outside in a month, from their Soviet-style incarceration, many will still be carriers.

Watch the infection/death curves of Sweden vs. Norway and Finland.
Sweden is allowing the disease to take its natural course. Norway and Finland are operating on the idea that a flattened curve will stay flattened. It won't. Sweden will have a bell-shaped curve, Norway and Finland will have waves. Time will tell who was smarter.

Unlawfully restricting freedom of movement and freedom of speech and freedom to practice religion, for "good causes," is a slippery slope, and not unintentional I believe. These are dangerous times, and covid is not the biggest danger.
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Old 04-23-2020, 12:00 PM
 
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I really don't know how more homeless aren't dead from this. Did all countries shelter them? The number should be in the millions or tens of millions with all the poverty around the world.
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Old 04-23-2020, 03:38 PM
 
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Hypothetically, you seem to be asking if COVID-19 would simply die-out on its own given a month of isolation (?) -- I'm guessing you are speculating that it would take 3-4-weeks for all the asymptomatic people with the virus to show signs of the infection.

... But, that doesn't necessarily mean the virus would "go away." What would be done with people who started showing they were infected during that time???

Unfortunately, for now, there isn't a vaccine to either build immunity or produce a cure. Until that happens, isolation is only slowing the rate of spread, thus, making the hospital situation manageable.
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Old 04-23-2020, 03:41 PM
 
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This is why I am getting concerned.

On the one hand.. people want to keep doing what we are doing. But that, isn't working. It is just slowing things down.

So it seems like this is just going to extend forever.
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Old 04-23-2020, 03:47 PM
 
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It would spread anyway, because you cannot realistically isolate 100% of the population 100% of the time, even for a month. Food must be produced, processed, delivered. Gas and electricity must be kept online. Mobile people will spread it.

When everyone came outside in a month, from their Soviet-style incarceration, many will still be carriers.

Watch the infection/death curves of Sweden vs. Norway and Finland.
Sweden is allowing the disease to take its natural course. Norway and Finland are operating on the idea that a flattened curve will stay flattened. It won't. Sweden will have a bell-shaped curve, Norway and Finland will have waves. Time will tell who was smarter.

Unlawfully restricting freedom of movement and freedom of speech and freedom to practice religion, for "good causes," is a slippery slope, and not unintentional I believe. These are dangerous times, and covid is not the biggest danger.

You can’t seriously be considering religion through all of this.
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Old 04-23-2020, 04:16 PM
 
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You can’t seriously be considering religion through all of this.
Its not a matter of the religion itself, its gathering in order to observe it that is the problem. Some paranoid religious practitioners are screaming that stay-at-home orders are simply government's latest attempt to persecute them for their beliefs. Many businesses and public agencies have figured out how to function remotely. Religious congregations can do this too and many have. But oh no, some refuse because they would lose their newest excuse to feel martyred. 100, 200 or more devotees gathering in the same crowded building multiple times a week for a service doesn't seem like such a great idea right now. AFAIK it is entirely possible to practice the tenets of your religion individually at home for a while.

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Old 04-23-2020, 04:23 PM
 
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I really don't know how more homeless aren't dead from this. Did all countries shelter them? The number should be in the millions or tens of millions with all the poverty around the world.
They have very strong immune system.
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Old 04-23-2020, 04:27 PM
 
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Thing is, where did virus actually come from. WHO says - bats. Will bats be gone? Or, whatever else source for it?
You know, there are pretty solid pointers that it appeared in several places across the world simultaneously. What will prevent same from happening again?
The only way is to let it weather out naturally, by developing natural immunity to it. Any infection specialist will tell you that, when virus enters healthy strong body, it's virulence is reduced and when it goes out, it's much weaker.

Look at Sweden. Or, Belarus. They do fine.
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