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I'm not understanding your bizarre disconnect about this. Have you read anything about this SARS virus or are you just blindly following rhetoric? Anyone who researches this and understands what this is and how contagious this is would want to give this a wide berth. What is your thought process that social distancing is an act of futility? I seriously need to understand where you're coming from.
The problem is that Santa Claus is not going to feed us, G-d is not going to drop manna.
Tomorrow my wife and I are going for antibody tests so at least we'll know if we've been exposed. It would take a miracle for that not to have happened. And we have both been quite well since the beginning of the year, when it began circulating in my immediate area.
Tomorrow my wife and I are going for antibody tests so at least we'll know if we've been exposed. It would take a miracle for that not to have happened. And we have both been quite well since the beginning of the year, when it began circulating in my immediate area.
I will keep you posted.
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May things go well.
Thanks.
We should know by Friday. Nothing traumatic about the test. I forgot my Driver's License but I have that number memorized.
And restaurants and hair salons are not going to save lives.
But they are going to provide jobs. And persons holding those jobs are going to contribute to FICA and to Medicare and to federal/state/local income tax. And that money is going to be used by the public sector... part of which includes funding for police, firefighters, paramedics and so forth - who, you know, just might save a few lives.
There's a circle to all of this. Porn stars, used-car salesmen or shyster lawyers may not have particularly honorable, valuable or salutary professions. But they do contribute to the economy. You know, "economy" - the sort of thing that we used to have, before our official professional designation was involuntarily changed to "idle recluse cowering at home"?
Well, we’ve slowed the transmission of the virus in the state of Washington. I don’t think this is theater. If you got a case of covid-19 (which I hope you never do) I think you might feel differently about the shutdown being “theater.â€
If we look to the 1918 pandemic, we know that quarantining slowed the disease down. After people in the USA were allowed to publicly celebrate the end of WW1, the disease rate climbed again.
When there is no known effective treatment, no vaccine, a shortage of tests, and shortages of medical supplies and equipment, what else is there to do except quarantine?
I laugh when people tell me this. If I got infected, better yet, if I were dying from this virus, I wouldn't want anyone to stop what they were doing. I wouldn't want my family, my closest friends to stop their lives, wouldn't want the country to go into a great recession because I am about to die. NOPE. I would want everyone I love to be even better off and for the country to grow out of this even stronger. I would hate to die knowing that we live in a nation of cowards and weaklings.
But they are going to provide jobs. And persons holding those jobs are going to contribute to FICA and to Medicare and to federal/state/local income tax. And that money is going to be used by the public sector... part of which includes funding for police, firefighters, paramedics and so forth - who, you know, just might save a few lives.
There's a circle to all of this. Porn stars, used-car salesmen or shyster lawyers may not have particularly honorable, valuable or salutary professions. But they do contribute to the economy. You know, "economy" - the sort of thing that we used to have, before our official professional designation was involuntarily changed to "idle recluse cowering at home"?
If restaurant gatherings and hair services cause a spike in serious cases (including deaths), that has a negative effect on the local economy. "Everything will work out in the end"? I too sense the "disconnect."
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If restaurant gatherings and hair services cause a spike in serious cases (including deaths), that has a negative effect on the local economy. "Everything will work out in the end"? I too sense the "disconnect."
I don't know what would "work out in the end", or what the "end" even means. But the point is that an economy has a way of winnowing out the irrelevant and unneeded goods/services. It's call price-signals. If consumers don't want it, then prices have to fall sufficiently far, to start enticing buyers. If at that price-level, the business is no longer viable, then it fails.
If instead an external authority says that nail-salons or whatever are haram (lovely Arabic word, no? It means "forbidden"), then they close, whether consumers want them, or not. Likewise with gyms. Or schools. Close enough stuff, for long enough, and guess what? Beyond a certain point, it would be better if millions - or even billions - died.
This isn't the Politics forum, but the solution to our dilemma is ultimately political, isn't it? Potential for a solution comes every November - depending on the office in question. My own political behavior has certainly changed as a result of this crisis, or more importantly, as a result of the response. Whatever it was before, for how ever many decades before, now the vigor and flourish of my pen, however it lasts, is going to be devoted to the hardest of the hard-right, however odious their positions on the formerly-important issues may have been.
I don't know what would "work out in the end", or what the "end" even means. But the point is that an economy has a way of winnowing out the irrelevant and unneeded goods/services. It's call price-signals. If consumers don't want it, then prices have to fall sufficiently far, to start enticing buyers. If at that price-level, the business is no longer viable, then it fails.
I don't know if this is the right paragraph in which to post this but if reopenings are allowed and people are still scared. they won't or shouldn't go out. It's their choice and not mine.
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If instead an external authority says that nail-salons or whatever are haram (lovely Arabic word, no? It means "forbidden"), then they close, whether consumers want them, or not. Likewise with gyms. Or schools. Close enough stuff, for long enough, and guess what? Beyond a certain point, it would be better if millions - or even billions - died.
You made my point better than I could have made it! I think our respective governors' orders are premised upon aid from outside (Washington, G-d???) that respectively shouldn't come or is very unlikely to come. If Trump could say, "your dime", the states would have to reopen, like it or not.
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This isn't the Politics forum, but the solution to our dilemma is ultimately political, isn't it? Potential for a solution comes every November - depending on the office in question. My own political behavior has certainly changed as a result of this crisis, or more importantly, as a result of the response. Whatever it was before, for how ever many decades before, now the vigor and flourish of my pen, however it lasts, is going to be devoted to the hardest of the hard-right, however odious their positions on the formerly-important issues may have been.
The problem of waiting till November and the unlikelihood of change then in the State Houses, people take to the streets or other forms of defiance. New York's lack of any competitive politics, i.e. one party rule, makes change at the ballot box problematic. And "mail voting" creates rich opportunities for ballots to be cooked up. The mantra should be the Doobie Bros. song "Taking it to the Streets." When the tractors went to Washington, agricultural aid proliferated back in the 1980s.
The OP's argument is like in the old, old day, some people said the globe was square; and nowadays, there are still many people oppose to flu vaccine every year because they think it makes them sick.
Yes, there's a very small number of people that have reactions to the vaccine. That is different. That does not mean the vaccine is useless, and everybody should not have the vaccine.
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