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Waiting for a second surge is akin to waiting for Godot; it may never happen.
Godot is on a ventilator. Won't be here. The second wave is coming instead.
I do believe there is a lot of trivial whimpering and complaining. It has become a "thing" and some are trying to make a political argument where one does not exist. There are people who are seriously hurting economically but there are also people dead and dying. This is a global pandemic that has the potential of killing millions. The lockdown, isolation, masks, and distancing have kept it at bay. A flattened curve is not the "all clear" signal. It means that we can see a way to get through the next weeks and next months and finally get the virus figured out and have a vaccine and move back to something like normal. There is no such thing as "herd immunity" without a vaccine. The required infection rate is so high that the death count is unacceptable to follow that course. The immunity threshold for SARS is 50-80% infection for "herd immunity". Covid19 might be in that range. We are likely somewhere around 5% and have 90,000 deaths with 30,000 projected for the next month.
Godot is on a ventilator. Won't be here. The second wave is coming instead.
I do believe there is a lot of trivial whimpering and complaining. It has become a "thing" and some are trying to make a political argument where one does not exist. There are people who are seriously hurting economically but there are also people dead and dying. This is a global pandemic that has the potential of killing millions. The lockdown, isolation, masks, and distancing have kept it at bay. A flattened curve is not the "all clear" signal. It means that we can see a way to get through the next weeks and next months and finally get the virus figured out and have a vaccine and move back to something like normal. There is no such thing as "herd immunity" without a vaccine. The required infection rate is so high that the death count is unacceptable to follow that course. The immunity threshold for SARS is 50-80% infection for "herd immunity". Covid19 might be in that range. We are likely somewhere around 5% and have 90,000 deaths with 30,000 projected for the next month.
Can't argue with most of this.
But, like most supporters of continued lockdown, I notice that you didn't, not ONCE, mention the millions of Americans who've lost their health insurance. In the middle of a pandemic.
I'm guessing you're not one of them. But, what say you to them?
I have a feeling that the dangers of the Big Rona will pass right after November 3. MSM will suddenly say that "new studies" showed that Rona isn't as deadly as previously thought, and social distancing is actually more dangerous because it allows the human immune system to atrophy from disuse. The lockdowns will quickly end, and state governors will give gushing speeches thanking people for their patience. All while millions suffer from poverty, loss of life savings, neglected health conditions, and mental health issues; the cure has become worse than the disease, entitlement or no entitlement.
Why such an arbitrary date? It's the election day.
Last edited by MillennialUrbanist; 05-20-2020 at 05:45 AM..
That's a relief. Too many seem eager to argue over it all.
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But, like most supporters of continued lockdown, I notice that you didn't, not ONCE, mention
the millions of Americans who've lost their health insurance. In the middle of a pandemic. I'm guessing you're not one of them.
But, what say you to them?
I say you're moving the goalposts by adding an ancillary issue (however worth discussing)
and it seems or implies that you or others might think it has any bearing on common sense about prudent prevention measures.
Last edited by MrRational; 05-20-2020 at 05:47 AM..
Godot is on a ventilator. Won't be here. The second wave is coming instead.
I do believe there is a lot of trivial whimpering and complaining. It has become a "thing" and some are trying to make a political argument where one does not exist. There are people who are seriously hurting economically but there are also people dead and dying. This is a global pandemic that has the potential of killing millions. The lockdown, isolation, masks, and distancing have kept it at bay. A flattened curve is not the "all clear" signal. It means that we can see a way to get through the next weeks and next months and finally get the virus figured out and have a vaccine and move back to something like normal. There is no such thing as "herd immunity" without a vaccine. The required infection rate is so high that the death count is unacceptable to follow that course. The immunity threshold for SARS is 50-80% infection for "herd immunity". Covid19 might be in that range. We are likely somewhere around 5% and have 90,000 deaths with 30,000 projected for the next month.
So how long do you think we will wait under your analysis? A vaccine typically will be only partially effective. People can use the argument that the virus will mutate. It's a tragedy but unfortunately the bullet must be bitten or we face a total societal collapse.
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