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Dr. John Snow localized the source of a cholera epidemic without even knowing what the causative organism was, using methods that became the basis of epidemiology. Epidemiology can indeed help determine causation.
Distancing from those who may be sick, washing hands, and disinfection of potentially contaminated surfaces is basic infection control, and, yes, masks are imperfect but they do help.
Who on earth would "inflict non-symptom members with the Spanish Flu"? Is not fear of consequences the basis for caution?
As I've originally stated Epidemiology does "not" prove causation and* referencing the spread of viruses;*
Epidemiological Observations (Something unseen passing from one person to another)* generate theories which can be tested for causation. Reference Polio, Anthrax, Scurvy, and the Spanish Flu. Utilize the observation and prove causation of a microbe. (Koch's Postulates may ring a bell)* *
Why would anyone inflict/attempt to inflict* Spanish-Fly; simple, research and testing.
Prior to grad school, my coursemates and I found ourselves tasked with researching and presenting a disease or disorder we believe [could've] benefitted from Nanotech; particularly Nanobiophotonic. Nevertheless Spanish Flu and a few disorders* made our list.
Spanish Flu obviously commonly observed possessed abnormal testing methods, at least that was the consensus within our group.
When the “trials proved negative,” he wrote, “we became bolder.” The scientists gave each of the volunteers “a very large quantity of a mixture of thirteen different strains of the Pfeiffer bacillus, some of them obtained recently from the lungs at necropsy.” They also inoculated the men with specimens taken from the throats and noses of influenza patients and later with the patients’ blood. Still no symptoms, so next the volunteers shook hands with, talked with, and were coughed on by the actively ill. They remained healthy.
The groups were split into thirds; the Harvard art. surmised pretty well.
All you have to do is do simple division. Calculate the number of deaths divided by the number of cases.
Augiedogie, this is basically the same assertion that you made only yesterday, which was addressed by another participant in this thread.
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010
Surviving is not the same as recovering, and a significant number of survivors are having persistent problems, some of which may be permanent.
This reiteration of yours fails to acknowledge the response that you had already received. You don't appear to have anything new to add to this discussion, and you appear to be unwilling to engage in debate with those who have already responded to your assertions.
I remind everyone here of the Great Debates forum rule which is intended to avoid tiresome repetition: Only respond if you have a new argument or viewpoint to add, not just to reiterate previous points or to say that you agree or disagree.
COVID is so much different because of how contagious it is. With the other flu outbreaks, they did not spread asymptomatically. If someone had symptoms, it was easy to recognize who to stay away from and isolate them. With COVID, if you are in a crowd of asymptomatic people, you can catch it without even knowing it. Also it spreads via aerosols to a degree flu doesn't. You can be in a room with no symptomatic people, and it could spread by speech, laughing, etc. and you can catch it.
Also, the unpredictability of how people react to it, and the evidence for long term effects make COVID MUCH SCARIER!!!! Those other flu's were child's play compared to COVID!!!!!
Since there appears to be nothing new to add to this debate, this thread has run its course and it's time to put it to rest. Thank you to all who participated.
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