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I think we should begin to recognize that threatening our local and state governments, as well as our citizenry, is an act of treason.
I think we (meaning the sane) can all agree that if groups of blacks were stomping around with missile launchers in front of state capitals, etc., the response would be entirely different.
Or mexicans, or asian americans, or women, or syrian americans, or young people....
I think we should begin to recognize that threatening our local and state governments, as well as our citizenry, is an act of treason. The presence of weapons like rocket launchers and rifles is not only lunacy, but a threat.
Moreover, why are these mostly white people getting away with it? (We know why.)
I think we (meaning the sane) can all agree that if groups of blacks were stomping around with missile launchers in front of state capitals, etc., the response would be entirely different.
Much of the animosity towards open carry started in the 60's when the Black Panthers exercised their right to carry, scaring the bejeesus out of the white folks. Most of the idiots in these protests would faint at the sight of a group of well disciplined Black men open carrying in the same manner.
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Originally Posted by Axxlrod
Missle launchers?
What in the heck are you talking about?
Private citizens cannot have missle launchers.
Sure they can, as long as there's no missle in the launcher, or if they've paid the $200 destructive device tax.
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Originally Posted by redguard57
The AR-15 has become a symbol in the last 20 years. There are preferential reasons to want that particular platform, especially for the customizations. However, I'd guess over half the buyers of that weapon do so based on the desire to make a statement of politics and identity.
A variety of rifles are the same damn thing functionally speaking as an AR 15 but they don't have "taciti-cool" look. E.g.: the Mini-14. You don't see people parading those around.
The Mini-14 is crap compared to the AR-15 platform, especially if you want something really accurate. The Mini-14 just can't be built to shoot the tiny groups a good Ar-15 based rifle can do. Having said that, most of the so called assault rifle bans don't ban the Min-14, since it's not as scary looking.
I personally think the protesters are morons. You can't sway opinion in a positive manner walking around openly carrying long arms. It scares the rest of the population, and mutes the desired message.
It's no different than people marching with "Abortion is Murder" (or "My Body, My Choice") placards.. People burning the flag or the nutsy fagans at Westboro Baptist Church with their "God Hates ****" signs.
Flags.........Signs......Bullhorns.......Weapons
(cue music from Sesame Street):
One of these things is not like the others.
One of these things is different from the rest.
Did you guess which thing just doesn't belong?
This topic isn't about open carry per se (nor about who/what started the animosity about it)...it's about people showing up on the steps of government buildings with weapons during protests today....not in a past history.
It had thst reputation in the older days, but now it depends on the price you pay. The gun shop owner I knie is cinvinced they're equivalent. But he's also kind of a liberal and a not a big fan of the AR because of its PR.
Ruger has made its upgraded mini 14s more accurate, as you can see here, it performs about the same as an AR. https://youtu.be/qkc0ut78cVg
The Mini-14 is crap compared to the AR-15 platform, especially if you want something really accurate. The Mini-14 just can't be built to shoot the tiny groups a good Ar-15 based rifle can do. Having said that, most of the so called assault rifle bans don't ban the Min-14, since it's not as scary looking.
I personally think the protesters are morons. You can't sway opinion in a positive manner walking around openly carrying long arms. It scares the rest of the population, and mutes the desired message.
The mini-14 hasn't been used in any mass shootings. That's why it's not a focus of the gun comtrol movement. The gun control issue is the mass shooting issue. It's why gun control is only ever talked about after a high profile mass shooting. They have a point that there is allure to those weapons & that's why shooters use them. It's not like they're skilled shooting hobbyists either. If they were they'd have higher death counts. Only the Las Vegas guy was something approaching anyone who'd practiced much. And not that much.
I doubt most AR-15 buyers are sport shooters, or even fire the weapon much at all. It's a symbol of their conception of "freedom."
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I have sneaking suspicion that a few years ago these were the same people going on about Blue Lives/All Lives Matter. Now that they themselves feel oppressed, these guys have no problem being aggressive, and those same Blue Lives don't matter much at all.
The extreme antis and the extreme pros are all in the same loony toons basket together. Fortunately most of us are rational.
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