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Old 06-29-2020, 06:56 PM
 
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I opened your first link and read the entire article.
It was followed by COMMENTS.
The very first comment (by James Whereat) disputed the story and claimed Columbus was against sex trafficking and was misquoted.

Historical Documentation often comes with more than one perspective. I am no fan of Columbus but this article was clearly written by a group seeking to discredit him.

Is INDIAN COUNTRY TODAY considered a fair and objective source? I suspect not.
Who is "James Whereat"? Anyone can leave a comment in response to the article -- that doesn't mean that they have any credibility.

There was a full bibliography and sources used for the article, and I gave you the link for it. You need to provide some source material of your own to support your point of view. Quoting comments left by random individuals on a website doesn't cut it.

 
Old 06-29-2020, 07:44 PM
 
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Do you have a legitimate source for these accusations or is it just gossip you heard "somewhere"?
The man was tried and convicted of crimes against humanity by his own government! That didn't happen for no reason.
 
Old 06-29-2020, 07:46 PM
 
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Is INDIAN COUNTRY TODAY considered a fair and objective source? I suspect not.
Where would you suggest anyone find a fair and objective source?
 
Old 06-29-2020, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Take Columbus statues down. He sounds like he was a truly horrible psychopath.
 
Old 06-29-2020, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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Who is "James Whereat"? Anyone can leave a comment in response to the article -- that doesn't mean that they have any credibility.

There was a full bibliography and sources used for the article, and I gave you the link for it. You need to provide some source material of your own to support your point of view. Quoting comments left by random individuals on a website doesn't cut it.
What exactly is my "point of view"? I don't have a dog in this fight and raised the same question that you are now raising. Is the source credible? I cited the comment to demonstrate that not everyone agrees with one version of the "truth" of historical documentation.

Just because this supports someone's chosen narrative doesn't necessarily make it "true".

Lots of "history" has been disputed or disproven by later discoveries.

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Old 06-29-2020, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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Take Columbus statues down. He sounds like he was a truly horrible psychopath.
I agree.
 
Old 06-29-2020, 09:10 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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The man was tried and convicted of crimes against humanity by his own government! That didn't happen for no reason.
I asked about two specific charges against him. I never suggested he was a wonderful person.
 
Old 06-29-2020, 09:31 PM
 
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What exactly is my "point of view"? I don't have a dog in this fight and raised the same question that you are now raising. Is the source credible? I cited the comment to demonstrate that not everyone agrees with one version of the "truth" of historical documentation.

Just because this supports someone's chosen narrative doesn't necessarily make it "true".

Lots of "history" has been disputed or disproven by later discoveries.
There were numerous credible sources for the article, as cited in the bibliography of sources with which you were provided. These sources were referenced for the article in question. What more do you want? What is your source for refuting the statements made, other than: "I never heard that before"?
 
Old 06-29-2020, 09:39 PM
 
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I am a full blooded 100 percent Indian and I think we should not only keep Christopher Columbus's statue up but make October 12 a federal holiday.






My parents were immigrants from India and his mistake of labeling the indigenous people "Indians" played a large role in the confusion of my childhood playmates upon what type of Indian I am.
 
Old 06-29-2020, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Southern MN
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Please stop and think rationally. This is mindless destruction of symbols, not actual war against evil. Will destroying statues have any effect whatsoever on the continuing trafficking and abuse of sex slaves in the USA? Not as long as wealthy and powerful people are benefitting from it. And those people come in all skin colors.

Has anyone here stopped to wonder why most of the deaths of minorities by police have been occurring in cities already run by liberal politics? Often minorities are well entrenched in the politics and management of the cities already. Doesn't that seem like maybe, just maybe, the reasons offered for the necessity of rioting might be red herrings?

Just who are these New Bosses everyone is so anxious to enthrone? Does anyone really know? Is a healthy, creative and nurturing spirit of leadership being born? Or something else?
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