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Old 09-03-2020, 07:54 AM
 
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I was thinking. As technology increases, there's gonna be very little privacy left. But the good news is that it's easier to track criminals. Those looters? They say the FBI is gonna track them all down. So they're not getting away after all, if that's the case.
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Old 09-03-2020, 08:57 AM
 
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I was thinking. As technology increases, there's gonna be very little privacy left. But the good news is that it's easier to track criminals. Those looters? They say the FBI is gonna track them all down. So they're not getting away after all, if that's the case.
Local and state police, and in some instances, the FBI, already have a bunch of them. They've already investigated some of them, and found that they are far-Right agitators, not far Left, pretty much as the FBI had predicted in advance.

But to answer your question, yes, of course having cameras everywhere will not only prevent people from getting away with crimes (they already have in many other instances unrelated to the protests), but they'll deter crime. Some people contemplating crime will think twice. The dumb ones won't.
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Old 09-03-2020, 09:43 AM
 
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I'm not concerned about private business or private citizens using cameras to protect their own property, and then turning over the recordings to the legal authorities. What may be a concern someday, however, would be government using satellites to observe the citizenry.
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Old 09-03-2020, 10:01 AM
 
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But the good news is that it's easier to track criminals.
Most people do seem to want the "good" results.
Few seem to consider the other price to be paid.
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Old 09-03-2020, 10:05 AM
 
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This is why "peaceful protesters" use umbrellas, Rachel. What, also, points out activists.



As a side note, an arsonist was detained yesterday here in Tacoma, based on camera snap shot of her hand, while she was setting police cars on fire. Tattoo on fingers said V-E-I-L and, they figured her through Facebook photos.




https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/pol...CEFKTLLIY5M6I/


That is kudos to the video surveillance. On the flip side, any person or vehicle can be tracked in their movement. And it is not just cameras. Cell phones also. Simple example. Everyone's gait is like finger print, unique. G-sensor in phone picks up that pattern and it is stored in database. Even if person tosses that phone and gets a new burner, it will still match gair pattern to one stored.



Also, face recognition could be deterred with face coverings and masks. Well, now everyone was made to wear a mask. AI, running cameras, had data base of your faces and now, it has database of you with faces covered with masks. Maybe it is not as pronounced here in the US but, as example, in Russia, you have to have QR code provided, to be able to walk, say, to grocery store. That code is then matched with your face in mask, et voila, AI has it.


Basically, no matter how hard you try, everything can be used ot benefit or to detriment. Starting with a simple stick and ending in AI and NBIC convergence. It all depends on who pays for it and who benefits from it.
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Old 09-03-2020, 10:08 AM
 
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I was thinking. As technology increases, there's gonna be very little privacy left. But the good news is that it's easier to track criminals. Those looters? They say the FBI is gonna track them all down. So they're not getting away after all, if that's the case.
There are cameras everywhere during the BLM "peaceful" protest riots, so the answer is NO as to whether having cameras everywhere will stop the madness!
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Old 09-03-2020, 10:08 AM
 
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This is why "peaceful protesters" use umbrellas, Rachel. What, also, points out activists.
Don't forget, the extreme-Right agitators also used umbrellas in this summer's protests. They were caught on film smashing store windows, spray-painting "Free Stuff!" type of messages on the buildings, and being told to stop by peaceful protesters.
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Old 09-03-2020, 10:10 AM
 
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Can cameras everywhere prevent people from getting away with crimes?


They can help.

But that was thought true of policemen, when they were first introduced back in the day. And police did help catch criminals, of course.

But the other thing that happened, was that criminals simply restricted their crimes only to locations where there were no police. Hence the saying "There's never a cop around when you need one". Criminals, other than the especially stupid ones, made sure of it.

Adding cameras to the mix, will also help catch criminals. But many criminals would simply make sure to commit their crimes where there weren't any, so a number of them will still get away.

A cop on the beat was a pretty obvious figure. Cameras are less so, and so might help catch significantly more criminals, since the thug might not know there was a camera in a shop across the street that has a view out the window. Cameras can be teeny and well hidden.

Problem with cameras, though, is that they might infringe on the privacy of law-abiding citizens, and/or violate the 4th amendment.
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Old 09-03-2020, 10:12 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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There are cameras everywhere during the BLM "peaceful" protest riots, so the answer is NO!
Quite a few of those rioters have been arrested based on camera images and videos of the riots found on Facebook, Twitter etc.

So the answer is YES. "In many cases".
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Old 09-03-2020, 10:19 AM
 
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To have a broad perspective onto surveillance programs, I'd recommend to read this story:

https://archive.org/stream/galaxymag...e/n75/mode/2up


It points out one possible outcome of various AI mass security implementations.
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