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Old 10-03-2020, 01:43 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Prisons are foremost a place of custody and, hopefully, a measure of reform. For serious dangerous or violent offenders it is a place of confinement and isolation and safety. One part of the issue is: What is the purpose of incarceration for two months? If she spends 6 weeks I will be surprised. Will she be reformed? I doubt it. The prison “camp” does not seem to be a hardship and she will be busy taking advantage of the facility and networking with other minor crooks. I can see a screenplay or a book coming out of this. This is simply a retreat or time out — just nuisance time on our dime ($100 per day). House arrest for a longer term with an ankle monitor and no outside trips without supervision or permission would be better. (She probably has “help” at home so some rules would be required to curtail privileges).

 
Old 10-03-2020, 03:23 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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After committing crime White-collar or Blue-collar; petty or grand..should a Thuggish savage have the ability to select their jail or Prison?

I would vehemently recommend against affording any Criminal options beyound top bunk or lower bunk.

Apparently judges have afforded this Thug in heels the ability to select her jail.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.des...ss-and-pilates
The prison system is separate to the Court system in most countries, and the prison system usually places prisoners in certain prisons based on type of offence and security risk.
 
Old 10-03-2020, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Log "cabin" west of Bangor
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This is during a pandemic and inmate populations are being hard hit but they get free healthcare.

Not at Angola.


Personally, I think prison should be a stone cell 3x5x5, steel door and no windows, gruel for breakfast and balogna & bread for supper. No sun, no exercise, no entertainment, no socializing. You come out pale and weak, blinking at the sun.
 
Old 10-03-2020, 08:31 AM
 
Location: USA
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I believe it's a medium security prison.
https://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/vvm/
 
Old 10-03-2020, 09:26 AM
 
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Not at Angola.
There's more free health care at Angola than your local hospital, in fact there's a hospital on site.

They have no choice, as 80% of their inmates will die there; no parole on any life sentence.

I happen to know the former warden, who now heads all of Mississippi prisons.
But even Vice news has a segment on what's called the million dollar club, meaning inmates at Angola running up that much in health care costs.
 
Old 10-03-2020, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I don't think she should have been convicted at all. Bribing school officials is no different than corporations and special interest groups routinely bribing politicians with campaign contributions. You're naive if you think otherwise.
 
Old 10-03-2020, 10:35 AM
 
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Not at Angola.


Personally, I think prison should be a stone cell 3x5x5, steel door and no windows, gruel for breakfast and balogna & bread for supper. No sun, no exercise, no entertainment, no socializing. You come out pale and weak, blinking at the sun.
Wow, sounds like America is the WRONG place for you to live.
 
Old 10-03-2020, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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After committing crime White-collar or Blue-collar; petty or grand..should a Thuggish savage have the ability to select their jail or Prison?
You know, before initiating a debate, it would help to be informed on the subject matter.

Jails do not equal prisons.

Jails have a specific function. They are operated by counties and cities, not States.

A person is confined to jail under four circumstances:

1) a person has been arrested and is awaiting arraignment
2) a person is in pre-trial confinement due to no bail/bond or the inability or refusal to post bail/bond.
3) a person is serving a misdemeanor sentence
4) a person was convicted of a felony but sentenced to 1 year or less.

Prisons are operated by States only.

Prisons serve specific functions:

1) Super-max prisons for violent repeat offenders serving life sentences with or without the possibility of parole
2) Maximum security prisons for violent offenders and often repeat offenders. Generally, they do have the possibility of parole
3) Medium security prisons generally for those committing aggravated or felonious assaults, burglaries and other non-violent crimes and there is a desire to separate them from the more hardened criminals
4) Minimum security prisons, typically reserved for non-violent offenders, usually White collar crimes.

The reason prisoners have no choice, is because the State constitution or laws empower the State's Department of Corrections to make the decision for the prisoner and those decisions are based on the type of crime committed, the potential for rehabilitation and the availability of space.

Should you be convicted of burglary as a first offense, your attorney will argue on your behalf at the sentencing hearing and provide evidence showing that you're a swell guy who got in with a bad crowd and you could be rehabilitated and so you should serve your time in a minimum security prison instead of a medium or maximum security prison.

The point being that while prisoners may not have a choice, they do have the right to submit evidence to influence a judge's decision as to the type of facility for incarceration.
 
Old 10-04-2020, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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I don't think there should be enough of a difference between prisons, within their security categories, low-medium-high, for a choice to make any difference.

Why should one prison have a more favorable condition than another? Why are some low-sec prisons "Country Clubs" with single rooms, ensuite bathrooms, and buffet style dining and daily bike rides on the grounds, while others are work camps with hundreds of men living in a gymnasium, allowed one shower a week, and enforcing a de facto modern day slavery?

Prisons should not be recreational facilities for privileged rich people, but nor should they be torture institutes for the poor..
 
Old 10-05-2020, 03:03 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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At least a few years ago, maybe still, the most common convict entering prison was a repeat DWI offender. They serve short sentences and maybe only for a “shock” incarceration of 120-180 days. They take up a bed, get fed, get medical care, are held in security and at a low custody supervision level. That costs a lot and it is on the taxpayers dime. There are better ways to handle that type of offense than routine incarceration. Next comes the petty property crime offenders (and maybe drug offenders depending on the state criminal code). They serve usually two years or a relatively short term but don’t often serve it all. Finally there are the serious person crime offenders. The worst will stay long term and they will accumulate over the years. Some won’t get out. The lessor person crime offenders will serve shorter but significant prison terms. Does the taxpayer want to spend the same amount of a daily incarceration cost for a minor offender on DWI or petty stealing as they do for a serial rapist or murderer? Check your state prison statistics - they are usually published in an annual report or at least in a Federal Bureau of Justice Statistics publication. Everyone wants prison to be tough for everyone until they see the numbers or their kid gets in trouble. Pennsylvania has over 50,000 inmates locked up with an annual cost of nearly $43,000 each. The average annual cost among states is around $35,000 for each inmate. Our politicians like to ratchet up the penalties and widen the net to pander to the voters as tough on crime so add the cost of building more prisons while you are at it. We have an incarceration industry and the private prison folks (mostly house federal inmates) are a strong lobby in congress.
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