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Old 04-30-2021, 08:08 AM
 
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The whole anti racism movement results in inequality. Instead of being hired for ones credentials, an individual of a minority may now wonder if they were just hired to check off a block. If a minority is conducting a criminal act, the officer needs to think twice about how he should control the situation. Special programs in place for minorities that own farms and businesses, scholarships for minorities, the list goes on and on.

Why cant we just have zero tolerance for racism and hold each individual accountable for their actions regardless of skin color? The first place to start is in schools where we need to stop indoctrinating students into believing theories that put false ideas into their heads. Young kids dont see color, they are all friends, its not until they are taught everyones differences in school that they perhaps start to treat everyone differently which leads right into "too much anti racism". We are trying to correct a problem that was overcome decades ago. If you keep picking a scab, the wound will never heal.
I wouldn't necessarily blame the schools. Much of the teaching of "everyone's differences" comes from the home environment. I also wouldn't say that these problems were "overcome decades ago." The wound never did heal because the band-aid that was used was insufficient.

 
Old 04-30-2021, 08:10 AM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Are you saying that black people with money shouldn't want the best for their children and for their families?
No, of course that is not what I’m saying. The point I was making was rather the opposite:

Individual people of every race live in areas that they feel are safe and they do whatever they can to avoid the presence and association of unsavory elements in society. The idea that only whites do this doesn’t hold up to reality.

It is good that you understand that DC public schools are of less than desirable quality and ratings of students. This is in fact true of many urban areas across America, which is often a reason why parents with school-age children have to be selective about where they live or where they send their children to school.
 
Old 04-30-2021, 09:49 AM
 
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The whole anti racism movement results in inequality. Instead of being hired for ones credentials, an individual of a minority may now wonder if they were just hired to check off a block.

My mother keeps saying the whole thing will eventually backfire, she's probably correct.
Another issue here is self-esteem, as government handouts tend to lower them.
Having worked with disadvantaged AA youth, I know for a fact they would rather be learning viable skills; as opposed to risking prison time selling narcotics. Real change must be done from within, not via the media or politicians; who only serve to confuse cultural issues with their off-base agendas.
I recently saw a statistic, which should alarm everyone; 70% of AA children do not have active fathers in their lives.
That's where it needs to begin.
 
Old 04-30-2021, 11:33 AM
 
Location: NH
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I dont even think that a majority of individuals that make up these minorities necessarily feel that they are being discriminated against, its the old white men sitting in office telling them that they are. I just feel that it is a political tactic to be honest. If you are told something over and over, even if you disagree, after awhile it slowly becomes a false truth and you start seeing it where it doesnt truly exist. Instead of blame, we should empower. Empowerment initiates motivation to better yourself instead of accepting the fact that due to systemic racism, there is no reason to even try. This is like the saying "the beatings will continue until moral improves".
 
Old 04-30-2021, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Taos NM
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Let's take a moment to look at what CRT is, what ideas it promotes, and how it came into being, to hopefully get a clear understanding of what we're discussing, since there seems to be some confusion or disagreement.

Back to Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory

It grew out of a new field called Critical Legal Studies in law schools in the 1970's. From that, a branch movement of legal experts formed, that focussed on how the law, and social and cultural phenomena have a bearing on how race is dealt with in the US.

Further:


This reminds me of an editorial in the NY Times this summer, in which the writer stated, that the reason police come down harder on Black people, is that policing in the US was set up to protect the dominant majority from everyone else. If that's true, and it does seem to be, it needs to be changed.

This also reminds me of the statement the FBI released last summer, stating that they had found, that police precincts in cities across the country (not all cities, but a significant number) had been infiltrated by White Supremacists. That supports the belief that law and racial power are intertwined and favor the White majority.

Do we want a country, where people from some racial groups are assumed to be guilty of something right off the bat, stopped by police for a routine traffic stop, then inexplicably end up dead, while a White teenager, underage for legal gun ownership, is able to stroll around a protest site brandishing an automatic rifle, with the approval of on-duty police? Or do we want a country where everyone behaving lawfully is presumed innocent until proven guilty, and is treated with the same dignity, and those behaving unlawfully are given equal scrutiny irrespective of race?

I think it's worth taking a look at how legal and social structures result in unequal treatment. This shouldn't be a scary proposal for anyone. There seems to be a measure of fear-mongering happening in relation to this issue, though.
Yes, there are points and specific instances which need to be addressed. But taking these individual points and just rolling them up into a big overarching theory of oppressed and oppressor where 1. Does not actually solve the initial problems and 2. Creates divisions where they do not need to exist.

This is just simply rehashed Marxism, which has a track record of terribleness. Would you like to point out how America is a better place today due to Critical Race Theory Ruth? I can point to ways it has backfired.

The movement has moved past the initial points you've posted. Don't take my word for it, academics have been calling out critical race theory:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCX71sk_MU&t=1452s

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...-balls/617841/
 
Old 04-30-2021, 12:49 PM
 
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Yes, there are points and specific instances which need to be addressed. But taking these individual points and just rolling them up into a big overarching theory of oppressed and oppressor where 1. Does not actually solve the initial problems and 2. Creates divisions where they do not need to exist.

This is just simply rehashed Marxism, which has a track record of terribleness. Would you like to point out how America is a better place today due to Critical Race Theory Ruth? I can point to ways it has backfired.

The movement has moved past the initial points you've posted. Don't take my word for it, academics have been calling out critical race theory:
CRT is too new to to mainstream America. It's only just now emerging from some exclusive niches, like academia to name one. There hasn't been a public discourse about it until now, and already it's getting a backlash, before people even understand what it is, threads like this one being Exhibit A. So any assessment of its effectiveness would be premature.
 
Old 04-30-2021, 12:52 PM
 
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I dont even think that a majority of individuals that make up these minorities necessarily feel that they are being discriminated against, its the old white men sitting in office telling them that they are. I just feel that it is a political tactic to be honest. If you are told something over and over, even if you disagree, after awhile it slowly becomes a false truth and you start seeing it where it doesnt truly exist. Instead of blame, we should empower. Empowerment initiates motivation to better yourself instead of accepting the fact that due to systemic racism, there is no reason to even try. This is like the saying "the beatings will continue until moral improves".
This is new to me. Is this the "They have it so good, they wouldn't even know they're oppressed if The Man didn't tell them" theory?

Lucky "them".
 
Old 04-30-2021, 02:42 PM
 
Location: NH
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This is new to me. Is this the "They have it so good, they wouldn't even know they're oppressed if The Man didn't tell them" theory?

Lucky "them".
Not even close. If someone told me I was oppressed time after time, I may start believing them even though it's not true. The end goal isn't equality, it's support to forward their agendas. It's quite simple to promote equality, yet it isn't being done. All I see promoted is division and it's sad so many people don't stop to look at the facts and the statistical data instead of letting others brainwash them. Sure there is racism out there, there always will be. We can't create chaos based on the actions of a few but I guess that's what our administration does best.
 
Old 04-30-2021, 05:24 PM
 
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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No, of course that is not what I’m saying. The point I was making was rather the opposite:

Individual people of every race live in areas that they feel are safe and they do whatever they can to avoid the presence and association of unsavory elements in society. The idea that only whites do this doesn’t hold up to reality.

It is good that you understand that DC public schools are of less than desirable quality and ratings of students. This is in fact true of many urban areas across America, which is often a reason why parents with school-age children have to be selective about where they live or where they send their children to school.
I think it's a disgrace that the schools in our nation's capitol are among the worst in the country.
 
Old 04-30-2021, 06:34 PM
 
Location: USA
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Thank you. There certainly is. Since I am a white Christian myself, I am certainly not intrinsically against white Christians.

I do think that white Christians enjoy privileges not afforded to other Americans. I have been the recipient of such favor all of my life.

Example - I was speeding to work. I was working as a nurse and I was late. The officer not only did not give me a ticket, he gave me a POLICE ESCORT. - I really deserved a ticket.

Better example that is quite relevant right now - I was in a smaller grocery store with my two children, ages 5 and 2 at the time. It was sort of a quick mart deli kind of place rather than a large supermarket. I remember I bought swiss cheese, goldfish crackers, eggs, tomatoes lettuce and prepared potato salad.

I payed in $20 bills. Funny, I remember what I bought, but not where I had gotten the money. Possibly it was change from a gas purchase.

This was around the time that they started to check money for counterfeit bills. There had been a string of incidents in my county where counterfeit bills were passed.

The clerk checked my money and to my horror, one of the $20s was counterfeit! The clerk apologized to me. Yes. APPOLOGISED.

No police were called at least not while I was there. They just knew that it was an honest mistake. There was never a thought that I had a counterfeit operation in my garage. Just apologies for inconveniencing me.

What would have happened if I was BLACK? Would the outcome have been the same?

Somehow, I think not.
You are projecting your thoughts onto other people. I guess you think you would have dealt with blacks differently than you were treated. That's on you. The police officer was helping an essential worker during a pandemic. If you wanted to be treated fairly, you could have insisted that you be given a ticket for the speeding and be arrested for passing counterfeit bills.

BTW, attractive people get treated better than ugly people and make more money. Maybe you were treated unfairly in a positive way, not because you are white, but maybe you are attractive? Blonds are treated better than brunettes. Don't forget fat shaming. Lots and lots of differences in how people are treated.

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