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Old 06-10-2021, 01:44 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Where Will The First Water War Take Place?


It took place more than 100 years ago, in California in the early 1900s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_water_wars
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Old 06-10-2021, 06:32 AM
 
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It is already happened in the 1967 Arab-Israel war. Syria was going to restrict water flows from the Golan Heights into the Sea of Galilee (a freshwater lake). Now there are claims that Israel is encroaching and taking access to Palestinian water resources. Jordan also draws water from the Sea of Galilee. That could be a hot spot. The water conflicts among the US states will be resolved in court. The agreements were made years ago and population pressure has increased. The situation in South Asia might trigger something. Several of the —stan countries in Central Asia are very dry.
There have always been claims that Israel is "stealing" Palestinian water, which are circulated by various international groups that appear to support the assertion that Israel has no right to exist. The fact is that the Palestinian Authority's past refusal, suspicion, and open hostility towards cooperation with Israel (a nation which leads the world in green technology) has more to do with the Palestinians' own water management than with any purported theft of water. Not only are Palestinian farmers using outdated methods to water their crops (leading to water waste, leakage, and mismanagement), the Palestinians additionally do not treat their sewage that ultimately flows into streams and contaminates the aquifer. Israel makes use of recycled water; the Palestinians do not recycle.

Nevertheless, Israel continues in its attempts to bring modern technology to the Palestinians, and has recently made some headway in this effort. In 2017 a water deal was reached between the Palestinians and Israel: "After six years without a functioning Joint Water Committee, the Coordinator of Government Activity in the Territories and the Palestinian Authority's Minister of Civil Affairs sign a new water agreement intended to improve the quality of life for the entire West Bank."

In 2019, Israel began laying a fourth water line to Gaza (the largest one yet): "There are three pipelines currently carrying freshwater from Israel into Gaza at three sites along the border. In agreements with the Palestinians, Israel committed to transferring 10 million cubic meters (2.6 billion gallons) of water each year to Gaza, but in practice transfers a bit more, roughly 11.5 million cubic meters (3 billion gallons)."

Hamas remains a continual obstacle, however, as cooperation between Israel and the Palestinians (as well as any improvements to Palestinian quality of life that might come from Israel) are perceived as a threat by Hamas.
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Old 06-10-2021, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Native Floridian, USA
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How would waging war bring more water to Beijing? Who would the war be with?
Whoever they can steal it from. Its elementary, dear Watson.
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Old 06-10-2021, 12:18 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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Where Will The First Water War Take Place?


It took place more than 100 years ago, in California in the early 1900s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_water_wars
That's right, and the next "Water War" will also be there, but again, it will take place in the courts. With the various environmental groups, farmers, cities and utility districts all dealing with drought there will be more and more competition for what little water there is. With 13% of the nations produce coming from CA, the inevitable loss of water for crops to humans will affect many other states. It will also be a big blow to the 800,000 CA farm workers.

There were actually real (violent) water wars in CA and other states over the years, but with small skirmishes, back when settlers, homesteaders and miners conflicted over the rights to water.
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Old 06-10-2021, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Whoever they can steal it from. Its elementary, dear Watson.
It’s not like a one-time steal, removing an object permanently from point A and moving it to point B. It would be a continuous steal, easily sabotaged by blowing up part of the infrastructure/pipes moving the water. So that means that the country stealing the water would also have to steal/conquer the territory the water is in to have control. I can’t see China successfully stealing Siberia from Russia, for example, in order to supply water to Beijing.
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Old 06-10-2021, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Where Will The First Water War Take Place?
I read that and thought "Huh, we already had one. The war against the Japanese was largely a sea-borne war encompassing most of the Pacific Ocean."

Then (face palm) I read further and realized that the question wasn't about where the war would be fought, but about what (water rights) it would be fought about.

I'm still laughing. At myself.
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Old 06-10-2021, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Desalinization plants can solve this cheaper than any war.........
I think this ^ is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Cheaper, peaceful, intelligent and constructive. There is no need for anyone to indulge themselves in aggressive behaviours and hostile control issues if everyone would learn to be more water-wise and work together cooperatively to set up desalinization plants and water pipelines all over the world. It can be done.

The long range fact of the matter is that eventually it will NEED to be done anyway whether people like it or not because there will be no other choice, no other options.

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Old 06-10-2021, 08:09 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I think this ^ is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Cheaper, peaceful, intelligent and constructive. There is no need for anyone to indulge themselves in aggressive behaviours and hostile control issues if everyone would learn to be more water-wise and work together cooperatively to set up desalinization plants and water pipelines all over the world. It can be done.

The long range fact of the matter is that eventually it will NEED to be done anyway whether people like it or not because there will be no other choice, no other options.

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Zo,

I love your posts, especially on environmental issues of any kind. Could you please explain to me two things, in the desalination scenario:

1. It will increase demand for petrol. Desal uses huge amounts of petrol, I've heard. I don't think the world is ready for an intensification of petrol exploitation, do you? Where are additional sources, sufficient to desal all that ocean water, going to come from? I mean, without more fracking that causes earthquakes under people's homes and communities, and without more Tar Sands projects, and whatever other desperate measures oil companies and governments will take.

2. What happens to all the extra sal? it can destroy soil and crops, if it blows around out of control, and it would change the chemistry of the oceans, if it were dumped back in the ocean massively.
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Old 06-11-2021, 12:12 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Old saying: Water will Always arise to $$$. Then, it's a matter of how much of a water bill do you want every month.

In the 1970's the Texas Water Plan was put to a vote, and it was narrowly defeated. And it was the West Texas ranchers who wanted it above all, as the Oglalla Aquifier is running dry. The Plan: pipe water from the Mississippi river to west Texas @3500 feet in altitude. Yes, push the water upwards! To accomplish that, as reported, it would have taken 2 nuclear power plants to continually push it upstream. Those in Houston, of course, voted it down as they have too much water.

And, to push it further upstream to, say, Gallup, NM, at 6500 feet, and to dump it into the Colorado River? We're talking some very expensive water.

Perhaps, with Canada, some deal could be reached. Share your water, and we'll give you some of the Aleutian Islands. Or how about a Hawaiian island?
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Old 06-11-2021, 12:24 AM
 
Location: The High Desert
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There is no need for anyone to indulge themselves in aggressive behaviours and hostile control issues if everyone would learn to be more water-wise and work together cooperatively to set up desalinization plants and water pipelines all over the world. It can be done.

The long range fact of the matter is that eventually it will NEED to be done anyway whether people like it or not because there will be no other choice, no other options.

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I don’t know why we don’t have desalination plants everywhere among coastal cities. Yeah — it costs a lot but it will be worth the money. Water conservation and lower usage can only go so far.
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