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Old 06-20-2021, 05:11 PM
 
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The questionable safety of food in China is not be envied. When I was visiting in 1991, I went on a tour, and included in that, was a small village, and the tour operator showed us a fish pond in the center of the village, and there were old bicycles dumped into that pond, polysterene floating on top of it, and a colored stream of water coming down from the hill into the pond, and? A fish pond? China is the biggest Tilapia producer in the world, and I won't eat any fish from China or SE Asia. Fry's offer Tilapia from Mexico and it has a lot more texture to and tastier. I had read once, in a particular part of China, the water was so polluted, they even discouraged people from washing their clothes in it!

But they are making great strides, and as usual, faster than when we were choking on air pollution in our country. During the worst smog days in L.A. (60's-80's) breathing in the air was the equivalent of smoking 2 packs of cigarettes a day. I see they've reduced their Red Alert Days now down to less than a 100 a year, but why did it take so long? At one point in Pittsburgh, you couldn't even leave a window open, as everything in the house would get covered with a black film.
If your vet through the news, every 10 years was a different China.
Those living on farmed tilapia are not in the same league as those feasting on Alaskan King crabs.

Take for example, in the late 90s -
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/rcmp-...ected-1.180345
RCMP admit fourth smugglers' ship landed undetected
CBC News · Posted: Sep 04, 1999


But by the 21st Century, they arrived with plane loads of cash.
https://biv.com/article/2018/08/laws...unction-freeze
Lawsuit of the week: China Medical Technologies liquidators granted injunction to freeze former executive’s assets
Liquidators claim Zhu Feng was part of the management team at China Medical that perpetrated a US$521.8 million fraud
By Darryl Greer | August 9, 2018,

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/chines...CGR3J37XJZGPI/
Chinese-Canadian businessman Xiao Hua Gong cuts record-breaking $70m deal with New Zealand police over frozen assets
15 Jun, 2021


tinyurl.com/zt74cef4
Alleged mastermind of lavish mansion casino raided by police met twice with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
Wei Wei met at least twice in 2016 with Trudeau, including at a controversial Liberal fundraiser in the home of another wealthy entrepreneur
October 8, 2020

https://www.thespec.com/news/ontario...investors.html
Convicted fraud artist Weizhen Tang scoffs at lifetime ban, courts new investors
June 4, 2019
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Old 06-20-2021, 06:15 PM
 
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Have you ever been on the Acela, or TGV, or other EU HSR?
Last time I was on the Acela was a few weeks ago; I take it regularly.

I’ve done many trips on Eurostar (when I worked in one city it serves), Thalys (when I worked in another city it serves), TGVs, the X2000 and more.

All of those trains were developed by democracies. Authoritarian government is not necessary to have a good HSR system.

The X2000 goes only 125 mph, slower than the Acela. I was looking forward to the Fyra trains but they were withdrawn from service due to defects.

What’s your point?
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Old 06-20-2021, 06:52 PM
 
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I don't like communism, but China has made tremendous progress and intends to keep doing so.

What I like is that their 1-party system means no endless bickering between two sides of the aisle as we see in Congress. They decide what's best for the country, then they go do it, efficiently. They make some mistakes, but their intent is good.

They don't have every corporation wanting a piece of the pie, unlike our defense industry which has deliberately located piece/part suppliers in all 435 congressional districts so that come election time they can pressure every member of congress to vote for more defense spending.

Not sure if they have any sort of racism in China, unlike here, where it's absolutely killing us.

They don't have NIMBYs delaying every infrastructure project; when they decide to build something, get out of the way because they are going to build it. Take a look at this video of how they build bridges; can you imagine us having something this neat? Hell, we couldn't build new roads even if we wanted to as we be tied up in land disputes for generations just to build a line. Congress would be fighting over the funding AND the route for decades, and it's almost impossible to get funding to help our existing roads given how McConnell won't vote for anything Biden wants. We are destroying our future via partisan politics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKi8VWRDA_c
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Old 06-20-2021, 08:09 PM
 
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Envied:
In general, 1st and 2nd tier Chinese cities have the most enviable stuff.
- High-Speed Rail
- High-density apartments (when they are built correctly)
- New high capacity schools (when they are built correctly)
- Focus on education and advancement.
- Overall a massive improvement in living conditions during the last three decades.
Do you want to live in high density apartments?

Sounds horrible.
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Old 06-20-2021, 10:59 PM
 
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They have succeeded in eradicating abject poverty in some regions, reigning in the princelings and putting corrupt officials in boxes. In recent years, they are wooing their most talented citizens living overseas to return to their country of origin. Alas, we are left with the fraudsters and the criminals that they refuse to take back.


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Not sure if they have any sort of racism in China,
Wrt discrimination, it was not based on one's "religion".
There were other Muslim officials in their history, but I can think of only one right now, i.e.:
China's naval admiral in the 15th Century, Zheng He.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-...-road/11471758

Han people are one big family today. However, those in Canton/Hongkong/Macau have more in common with the people in Mekong Delta, and those in Northereastern part with Korea, They are territorial. When it comes to their fishing rights, they would ram down their opponents' boats.

One of China's Han subgroups is the Hakkas aka Chinese gypsies.
The Hakkas originated from northern provinces, genetically the majority of their gene pool come from North Han Chinese.
Just like the gypsies were forced out of their homes in northern India, Rajasthan due to Invasions.
https://imagepphcloud.thepaper.cn/pp...36/808/484.jpg

Because of the changes in dynasties and invasions, in a series of migration, they moved to central China and later southern China. The other Chinese ethnic groups were also territorial and even committed genocides against them.
https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE...migrations.svg
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Old 06-20-2021, 11:26 PM
 
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Envy of any elements of China in isolation is a fools errand. It has to be viewed as a whole package and nothing is worth living in such a regime. Fast trains, quickly erected buildings and bridges... so what. They are all prisoners. Some don't realise it.
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Old 06-21-2021, 08:44 AM
 
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Fast, fast, fast.

In 2008 an earthquake caused the Xinjian Primary School in Sichuan to crumble, killing hundreds of children. This school was built for peasant children. A nearby school for the children of the elite survived the same earthquake so well that is was used as a refugee center. Many other schoolhouses for the poor also collapsed in the earthquake.

The entire tragedy was dismissed by the government and covered up by state-run media.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/w...25schools.html

"Xinjian was poorly built when it opened its doors in 1992, they say, and never got its share of government funds for reconstruction because of its low ranking in the local education bureaucracy and the low social status of its students."

Artist Ai Weiwei was allowed to take possession of thousands of steel rods that had been used in the schools. He straightened them and put them on display to honor the memories and call attention to the deaths of the children in a way their government did not. It's a massive exhibit and very moving when you consider the lives lost and the callous attitude of the PRC government.

https://www.brooklynmuseum.org/exhibitions/ai_weiwei

This is one of the strikes China has against it. It's a very big one and the habit of excusing, ignoring, and covering up human rights abuses still continues.
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Old 06-21-2021, 09:12 AM
 
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Last time I was on the Acela was a few weeks ago; I take it regularly.

I’ve done many trips on Eurostar (when I worked in one city it serves), Thalys (when I worked in another city it serves), TGVs, the X2000 and more.

All of those trains were developed by democracies. Authoritarian government is not necessary to have a good HSR system.

The X2000 goes only 125 mph, slower than the Acela. I was looking forward to the Fyra trains but they were withdrawn from service due to defects.

What’s your point?
Average speed of the Acela is 84 MPH. It may be able to reach 150 MPH, but rarely does, and only for a short period.

Average speed of TGV etc. is closer to 200 MPH.
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Old 06-21-2021, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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I don't like communism, but China has made tremendous progress and intends to keep doing so.

What I like is that their 1-party system means no endless bickering between two sides of the aisle as we see in Congress. They decide what's best for the country, then they go do it, efficiently. They make some mistakes, but their intent is good.
Sounds like you do like communism.

Communist governments don't make mistakes. Everything is done by design. If a building collapses and kills a few hundred peasants then the savings on building materials is deemed to have been worth it.

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They don't have every corporation wanting a piece of the pie, unlike our defense industry which has deliberately located piece/part suppliers in all 435 congressional districts so that come election time they can pressure every member of congress to vote for more defense spending.
So what? China increases defense spending every year even without a representative government demanding it. President Xi demands it, and that's that.

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Not sure if they have any sort of racism in China, unlike here, where it's absolutely killing us.
Oh, you're not sure? Never heard of the Uighur minority? They are a Turkic ethnic group that is native to what is now Western China, mostly Muslim and comprising about 13 million individuals. About 1 million of them are currently in internment camps throughout China. The Chinese government fears that without a Han Chinese ethnic identity and with strong Muslim religious beliefs they are a liability.

There are many other ethnic and religious minorities that are officially persecuted by the PRC government.

Please stop saying nonsensical stuff like that without even bothering to look it up.

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They don't have NIMBYs delaying every infrastructure project; when they decide to build something, get out of the way because they are going to build it. Take a look at this video of how they build bridges; can you imagine us having something this neat? Hell, we couldn't build new roads even if we wanted to as we be tied up in land disputes for generations just to build a line. Congress would be fighting over the funding AND the route for decades, and it's almost impossible to get funding to help our existing roads given how McConnell won't vote for anything Biden wants. We are destroying our future via partisan politics.
No highway in China had an animal overpass until 2019, when the first one was completed. That's really bad. We started building them in the 1980's on new highways. And most conservationists want fewer highways, not more, so why would it be "neat" for us to have a bridge-building Doomsday Machine whose prime directive is to destroy animal and avian habitat at breakneck speed?

The People's Republic of China sucks. They don't have freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, or freedom of conscience. They can keep all their new shiny stuff built by fascism and I'll keep our tarnished old freedoms.
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Old 06-21-2021, 12:48 PM
 
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Not sure if they have any sort of racism in China, unlike here, where it's absolutely killing us.
Yup. They want native English speakers to teach their children English, which is why so many young people from English-speaking countries go there to teach. That's what my daughter did for 15 months--taught little kids, around four years old, at a private school where wealthy Chinese send their children to specifically learn English. You don't have to speak Chinese, although my daughter both speaks and writes it (and now teaches it at a private school in the USA). The money is good.

But they don't want you to be black.
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