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Old 02-08-2022, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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Why would poverty ever end? That's like asking if all the children will ever be above average.

The more affluent we become, the higher the "poverty line" is drawn (i.e., the goal posts are moved).
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Old 02-08-2022, 05:52 PM
 
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And then there was my sister. She quit high school 2 months before she would have graduated for no apparent reason. She wasn't pregnant or anything like that, she just didn't like going to school. She went the druggie-booze route her whole life. Literally worked less in her entire life than I worked in one year. Would get jobs and quit them or get fired within weeks.

And usually people like that can't see the connection between their situation and their actions and choices. Everything just happens to them is just unfair or bad luck.
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Old 02-08-2022, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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And usually people like that can't see the connection between their situation and their actions and choices. Everything just happens to them is just unfair or bad luck.
Yes, we often heard that. And she passed it on to her son who ended up in prison for 2 years for selling drugs, who once said to me, "Life is so unfair, Uncle Victor". I said, "Sam, did you know that if you got caught selling drugs you would end up in prison?" "Well, yeah". "Then shut up about life being unfair".
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Old 02-08-2022, 08:45 PM
 
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I disagree. Girls cannot control society’s expectations, their families’ experiences, and their exposure to education, Both genders need support and guidance. But without an expensive higher education, it is hard to find jobs that pay enough to support a family. That is one obstacle to self sufficiency now.
One nitpick: Currently, there is a high need for skilled labor, but the needed pool of skilled labor isn't for college educated positions. It's more a need of skilled trade positions. The pool of jobs needing the college educated is actually oversaturated at the moment, and by a wide margin. The high wage earning jobs for average folks nowadays is more with electricians, HVAC specialists and welders.

That said, women typically don't like to date "below their station." So college educated women tend not to like to date those who aren't college educated. So it's more and more likely that, if you're a college educated woman, you're more and more likely need to be in the workplace along with your spouse, especially when considering the debt involved. If a woman is willing to go for such trade jobs instead of college or marry someone who does, it's much more likely the family will be able to live off one breadwinner. And the education for that isn't that expensive.
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Old 02-09-2022, 07:28 AM
 
Location: The Triad
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Poverty will NEVER end...
Opening Posts & Thread Titles are often failed by thinly considered and insipid phrasing ...
which should NEVER be seen as the limit of what the poster actually means.

As for me, I read the topic to be about the underlying issues that exacerbate underlying truths
that the observations of the OP was attempting to draw out: The Current Excess.
To wit: 1) Too many people generally. 2) Too many unable to provide decently for themselves.

I've gone on about the issues in these forums many, many times.
Here are the numbers. Open and read the attached single sheet. Dwell on them a bit.
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Old 02-09-2022, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Sandy Eggo's North County
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So why can’t more money be given to provide resources to those in need?
How much is "fair" for people who don't work for it? Just as "fair" to the people that earned it?Confiscating money from "earners" to give to "takers" is a fool's game.

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Why can’t where the money being made be made more to give away for poor people?
Well, the money is "made" at the Bureau of Engraving & Printing (BEP), which you'll find in Washington DC. "Giving away" anything to people that did not earn it, has less value to those same people. (BTW, the BEP makes $529 million per day...)

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When you have poverty, you will often times have criminal behavior, as a way to find money, which can lead to violence. Doesn’t the government realize this cycle?
Sure, the Gov't "relies" on violence, to strip rights away from it's general law abiding people.

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Old 02-09-2022, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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Poverty end? No...never. Why would it? There are hierarchies in all forms of life. Those will never go away. Sometimes I get a chuckle over all this talk of equality. Who said life was either fair or equal. It's not....never will be.


Not to be defeatist but once we understand this, we can all move on and focus on other issues.
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Old 02-09-2022, 09:53 AM
 
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We have capitalism in this country.

Which by its' inherent nature, only benefits 1%ers; the rules were written for the rich.
For this reason, earned income is generally taxed at higher rates than capital gains.
It is also an unsustainable system, and has long departed from its' roots of true capitalism.
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Old 02-09-2022, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Poverty end? No...never. Why would it? There are hierarchies in all forms of life. Those will never go away. Sometimes I get a chuckle over all this talk of equality. Who said life was either fair or equal. It's not....never will be.


Not to be defeatist but once we understand this, we can all move on and focus on other issues.
You're right, life isn't fair or equal. But that doesn't mean that we can't intervene and improve things for at least some people.

How do you think I would have fared as a principal if every time a parent came in to complain about how their child was being treated by either other students or a teacher if I just said, "Life isn't fair or equal. Your kid will just have to suck it up". I'd have been fired, and rightly so.
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Old 02-09-2022, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Seattle
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You're right, life isn't fair or equal. But that doesn't mean that we can't intervene and improve things for at least some people.

How do you think I would have fared as a principal if every time a parent came in to complain about how their child was being treated by either other students or a teacher if I just said, "Life isn't fair or equal. Your kid will just have to suck it up". I'd have been fired, and rightly so.

I'm going to disagree with you, and obviously I wouldn't be a very good candidate to be a school principal, that I will admit.


I do think kids/adults need to suck it up. Sounds like you are a good principal that cares for their students. Bravo to that!!! But at the end of the day, we are all captains of our own ship. We all need to suck it up and pull ourselves up by your bootstraps because nobody else will be there to ensure that we flourish. "Suck it up" is exactly what is needed sometimes.


The opposite of sucking it up is wallowing in your current situation, playing the victim, blaming everybody else for your current station in life and then expecting others/government to bail you out. Sorry, in my book, this dog don't hunt.


Tired of being impoverished? Do something about it. Plenty of opportunities out there for everybody to succeed. How bad do you want it?
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