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So was NATO in Serbia, Afghanistan Syria, Libya, Egypt, Iraq, all under the guise of "Democracy"
Military aggression in the form of a first strike.
Here is a picture when Ukraine hit the Ethnic Russian regions, and have been for 8 years. This media source in Italy tried to mislead and claim this was from Russian aggression, although it is Ukrainian.
So look at this picture and tell us about aggression in the form of a first strike that the UN charter prohibits.
FICTION: Russia is defending ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
FACT: There are no credible reports of any ethnic Russians or Russian speakers being under threat from the Ukrainian government. There are, however, credible reports that in Russia-occupied Crimea and in the Donbas, Ukrainians face suppression of their culture and national identity and live in an environment of severe repression and fear. In Crimea, Russia forces Ukrainians to assume Russian citizenship or lose their property, their access to healthcare, and their jobs. Those who peacefully express opposition to Russia’s occupation or control face imprisonment on baseless grounds, police raids on their homes, officially sanctioned discrimination, and in some cases torture and other abuses. Religious and ethnic minorities are investigated and prosecuted as “extremists” and “terrorists.”
FICTION: Russia is defending ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
FACT: There are no credible reports of any ethnic Russians or Russian speakers being under threat from the Ukrainian government. There are, however, credible reports that in Russia-occupied Crimea and in the Donbas, Ukrainians face suppression of their culture and national identity and live in an environment of severe repression and fear. In Crimea, Russia forces Ukrainians to assume Russian citizenship or lose their property, their access to healthcare, and their jobs. Those who peacefully express opposition to Russia’s occupation or control face imprisonment on baseless grounds, police raids on their homes, officially sanctioned discrimination, and in some cases torture and other abuses. Religious and ethnic minorities are investigated and prosecuted as “extremists” and “terrorists.”
How absurd can you be, do you really believe that? There is 8 years of video evidence and pictures, just because the media doe snot show you any of it, does not make it real. In the last post I put up a picture of the dead children lying around and the man crying, it was removed by the moderator. That is what Ukraine did to Ethnic Russian, yet you claim "never happened".
JFK willing to go into nuclear war over one missile in Cuba, Russian is surrounded and the last straw when NATO was planning missiles sites aimed at Moscow, what is Russia to do, they are pushed into the corner and the Ukrainians have to pay the price. Anyone take time to think perhaps Putin would not be doing cartwheels about missiles facing toward his offices?? NATO expanding right up to Russia’s Western flank, and have been conducting joint military exercises with the Ukrainian military right up to Russia’s border,
More Americans should understand the reasons behind the current crisis in Ukraine if they learned more about NATO expansion eastward and the 2014 change of power in the country.
FICTION: Russia is defending ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
FACT: There are no credible reports of any ethnic Russians or Russian speakers being under threat from the Ukrainian government. There are, however, credible reports that in Russia-occupied Crimea and in the Donbas, Ukrainians face suppression of their culture and national identity and live in an environment of severe repression and fear. In Crimea, Russia forces Ukrainians to assume Russian citizenship or lose their property, their access to healthcare, and their jobs. Those who peacefully express opposition to Russia’s occupation or control face imprisonment on baseless grounds, police raids on their homes, officially sanctioned discrimination, and in some cases torture and other abuses. Religious and ethnic minorities are investigated and prosecuted as “extremists” and “terrorists.”
If it were so "false" as you insist, why would the FIRST LAW issued by the "new democratic government" in Kiev back in 2014, was the prohibition of the Russian language?
(And this goes not just to ethnic Russians, but Eastern Ukrainians too, who traditionally were the Russian speakers as well.)
JFK willing to go into nuclear war over one missile in Cuba, Russian is surrounded and the last straw when NATO was planning missiles sites aimed at Moscow, what is Russia to do, they are pushed into the corner and the Ukrainians have to pay the price. Anyone take time to think perhaps Putin would not be doing cartwheels about missiles facing toward his offices?? NATO expanding right up to Russia’s Western flank, and have been conducting joint military exercises with the Ukrainian military right up to Russia’s border,
More Americans should understand the reasons behind the current crisis in Ukraine if they learned more about NATO expansion eastward and the 2014 change of power in the country.
The fact is that the countries quite voluntarily and freely joined NATO. Just as human traffic voluntarily and freely flows to the West. You don't hear about many, other than fugitives such as Julian Assange, fleeing to Russia. There was not a huge avalanche of Western refugees hankering to get into Russia. The expansion of NATO to include countries on Russia's border comes because they are terrified of the "bear hug."
Even the residents of those countries more or less forced into the U.S. orbit, such as most of Latin America, want to come here, not stick up for their tinpot dictators' right to exploit them. In other words, all roads lead West, not to Moscow.That's not by accident.
The Russian government simply has no right to enforce its satrapy over unwilling people.
If it were so "false" as you insist, why would the FIRST LAW issued by the "new democratic government" in Kiev back in 2014, was the prohibition of the Russian language?
(And this goes not just to ethnic Russians, but Eastern Ukrainians too, who traditionally were the Russian speakers as well.)
Any idea?
Inquiring minds want to know.
The Ukrainian language was deemed to be the State language. This does not differ from many European countries which have established state languages -- including Russia. The speaking of Russian is not "prohibited" and Russian, along with some other languages, was granted minority status. More than a quarter of Ukraine's population speaks Russian.
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The fact is that the countries quite voluntarily and freely joined NATO. Just as human traffic voluntarily and freely flows to the West. You don't hear about many, other than fugitives such as Julian Assange, fleeing to Russia. There was not a huge avalanche of Western refugees hankering to get into Russia. The expansion of NATO to include countries on Russia's border comes because they are terrified of the "bear hug."
Even the residents of those countries more or less forced into the U.S. orbit, such as most of Latin America, want to come here, not stick up for their tinpot dictators' right to exploit them. In other words, all roads lead West, not to Moscow.That's not by accident.
The Russian government simply has no right to enforce its satrapy over unwilling people.
The one response to my post was deleted. I won't repost it for him or her, but suffice to say it did not address the question as to why the overwhelming majority of people and countries that have a choice stream to the West. American bankers did not fill Ellis Island with unwilling immigrants. And even the people brought here unwillingly, starting in 1619 and their descendants by and large did not opt to return to the tropical paradise </sarcasm> of their ancestors.
The Ukrainian language was deemed to be the State language.
So was the Russian language.
They both had the official status - Russian and Ukrainian.
In the same manner, as, say, French and English in Canada.
Or French and German in Switzerland.
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This does not differ from many European countries which have established state languages -- including Russia. The speaking of Russian is not "prohibited" and Russian, along with some other languages, was granted minority status. More than a quarter of Ukraine's population speaks Russian.
Then explain please what such "minority status" implies, and why was it so important to deprive Russian language of the official status as the FIRST LAW issued by the new government in Kiev, when good half of Ukrainian population was speaking Russian at that point?
They both had the official status - Russian and Ukrainian.
In the same manner, as, say, French and English in Canada.
Or French and German in Switzerland.
Then explain please what such "minority status" implies, and why was it so important to deprive Russian language of the official status as the FIRST LAW issued by the new government in Kiev, when good half of Ukrainian population was speaking Russian at that point?
"Minority status" for a language means that citizens may speak that language but it is not recognized as a nation's "official language" for governmental purposes. Russia itself has many minority status languages, but Russian is the official state language of Russia. You can inform yourself as to the meaning of the term at this link: Minority language
Additionally, you need to read the rules and guidelines for the Great Debates forum, which you will find posted at the top of the forum. Here is the link for the rules: https://www.city-data.com/forum/grea...ply-forum.html
"Minority status" for a language means that citizens may speak that language but it is not recognized as a nation's "official language" for governmental purposes. Russia itself has many minority status languages, but Russian is the official state language of Russia. You can inform yourself as to the meaning of the term at this link: Minority language
Additionally, you need to read the rules and guidelines for the Great Debates forum, which you will find posted at the top of the forum. Here is the link for the rules: https://www.city-data.com/forum/grea...ply-forum.html
Sure, so I will ask again - why the first step of the new government was to strip Russian language of its official status, that it had along with Ukrainian all these years, since half of the country ( South East mostly) was traditionally speaking it?
For ex-Soviet immigrants the identity crisis is especially fraught. To the OP's point, what does it mean to be a "Jew" in the 21st century, if one is non-practicing, and especially if one is the product of a so-called mixed marriage?
The former USSR had a system of internal passports, which served as national identity documents, rather than international travel documents. One's passport noted, among other things, one's "nationality". "Nationality" was something like Jew, Komi, Uzbek, Tatar and so forth... it wasn't so much a mention of the ex-Soviet Republic (Moldavia, Turkmenistan) in which one resided, but as it were, one's bloodline. Well, in the Soviet system, one's bloodline was according to that of the father, so say a child of a Ukrainian mother and a Jewish father living in Kiev would have "Jew" written in her passport... which BTW is exactly backwards from how Israel does it. So, ironically, this person is considered to be Jewish (or even Russian, if Russian-speaking???) while living in Ukraine, but Ukrainian if immigrating to Israel... a raw deal on both sides, no?
Returning to an American-centered consideration, it has always been the case, that persons descended from a certain nation find themselves at odds with mainstream American society, if it comes about, that America is at war (or at least in antagonism) with said nation. Thus famously the Japanese internment camps during WW2, or the discrimination against German immigrants during WW1.
After the collapse of the USSR, and the apparent waning of official anti-semitism, it had come to be reasonable for all Russian-speakers emigrating out of Russia, to view themselves as "Russian". Thus my acquaintance from grad school in the US, who was ethnically of some Transcaucus ethnicity, born in Chechnya (in Russia) and speaking Russian, who felt "Russian" as an immigrant in America, despite at the time waves of wars in Chechnya. That, despite a bloody and morally fraught conflict. Nearly 30 years later, such identity becomes unclear. So I have no good answer... but plenty of concern.
Not exactly.
Upon reaching the age of 16, any youth could choose the nationality ( ethnicity) of either parent to put in his/her passport.
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