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I had a white neighbor who when their apartment was broken into came to my apartment and demanded to look around, Although I thought we were more than just neighbors, when he got ripped off I was the first suspect.
To the poster who said I manipulated my statistics, I disagree.
Toronto is primarily populated by european and asian peoples. Toronto's homicide rate is 3.3 per 100,000.
Miami is populated mostly by hispanics and blacks. Its homicide rate is 19 per 100,000.
I think that race is a factor in this correlation.
Please don't use the argument "Asians are in gangs and commit crimes too!" That is so silly. What percentage of L.A.'s prison population is Asian? .5%??? (I don't know the real answer to this question and don't have time to find it right now).
Asians are no where near as likely to be incarcerated as Hispanics and Blacks.
Instead of simply bashing or throwing away my argument, I would expect you to find statistical evidence proving it wrong. I'm all ears!
'Prove' your point! Show me one study that proves that Asians commit more crime that other minorities!
I guess it is silly toeven have the gall to suggest that Asians can commit crimes like anybody else. But somehow it's not silly to suggest other races commit crime?
I am not here to bash Asians. I acknowledge the overall contributions and value of the "Asian community". I am simply trying to show you that criminality is not exclusive to one racial group or another.
As for comparing Miami (or any US city) to Toronto, you are going to have skewed statistics. Why? Where do I start?!!? Different countries maybe?
Different histories? Different values?
But for someone looking for the simplest answer that takes no analysis or critical thought, racial differences are the only conclusion.
If you really take a hard look at American history, and even take a look at the number of race baiting threads present on this site, you might be able to acknowledge not every community "starts off" at the same place in America. Everybody encounter some struggles and resistance, but some have had waaaaay more resistance and obstacles than others. Hence why they might be more prone to living in poverty.
Other than that - poverty and disenfranchisement are the biggest contributors to crime.
You can also find statistics to showing that more African American's are becoming middle class... But those statistics probably don't fit into you simplistic view of the world.
I had a white neighbor who when their apartment was broken into came to my apartment and demanded to look around, Although I thought we were more than just neighbors, when he got ripped off I was the first suspect.
I'm still not making the connection. Are you black?
if you think this is the case for all hispanics and blacks then you are seriously ignorant.
poor areas exists for all people. there are plenty of impoverished "white" areas in the south and in the midwest.
poverty comes in all colors. even asian. filipinos and other asians also face socio-economic hurdles. they also live in the ghetto.
this has very little to do with race or ethnicity.
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Originally Posted by Milwaukee City
My question is in every city in America the worst area and most poor area is Black and the second most poor or dangerous is Hispanic but how and why have Asians bucked this minority trend? Go to the casino in Milwaukee and the high roller tables and rooms are all full of Asians and all engineering/math classes in college are either Indian or Asian. I suppose things are different in LA and SF but in Milwaukee we have a low Asian population but a high black and Hispanic population we have around 50-60,000 Asians. All our Asians for the most part are well educated well mannered and clean orderly people. Even the blue collar Asians have very nice homes and nice yards and you never see a Asian homeless guy in Milwaukee or anywhere else that I have seen. Milwaukee averages around 115-130 homicides even though last year we only had 70, not one Asian was killed or arrested for a homicide.
So if Asians were brought here by the white man to build the railroads and Hispanics immigrated here and blacks were brought here by slavery and all three ethnicity's started from the bottom why haven't Asians fallen into the "trap" that some claim that the man is holding them back and it's a white man's world...well the Asians have progressed and other ethnic backgrounds haven't why? I have seen many poor Asians that take such good care of there house and cars even thought they only make very little money and they are very polite people.
Another thing, I have talked to many immigrant Africans who don't like American black people b/c of the way they act and conduct themselves and I have been asked by people from Africa why are American blacks so violent in America? I have been told by many immigrants from Africa that say "they should be so happy just to be in America they have no reason to be mad and depressed"
So how have Asians Americans advanced and progressed and blacks and Hispanics not ? I'm talking as a whole society. You don't see Asian hoods in every city or Indian thugs on every corner in the hood.
your view of the world is very limited. los angeles has many middle class "ethnic" neighborhoods. largely, if not all-black or all-brown. downey, leimert park, baldwin hills, whittier. but there are also lots of black and brown folk who dont live in these areas and choose to live in other places.
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Originally Posted by Milwaukee City
So why don't we see the cream of blacks or Hispanics in cities in America? you don't need money to be well behaved or to go to school. How many times have you seen people turn down good paying jobs b/c the job was below them or " I don't want to do that". How about doing what you have to do not what you want to do.
but what this guy [milwacity] is not getting, and which speaks to your previous point of looking at certain sources, is that citing california as an example, with its large amount of colored folk will give you stats that represent the state.
if i cited iowa or any majority white state, then the stats would read differently. would it be logical to ask... why are so many white men locked up in iowa prisons. well duh, because its the state demographics.
in some cases the numbers are disproportionate, but then that may also have to do with sentencing laws. but thats another thread that was going on a couple weeks back. he might want to look it up.
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Originally Posted by jlhct
There goes my point. You said thatstupid people=criminals. Maybe you should expand your views so that you can see past the "stupid" people and realize that they just represent themselves, not their families and definitely not their race or ethnicity.
that does not make sense!!! you would have to compare ethnicities within the same area. wow! good try, but this is garbage rationale.
these places are completely different.
show me the crime stats for all of torontos people.
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Originally Posted by cgadams
Blacks and Hispanics are more likely to commit crimes than Eastern and Southern Asians. This is a fact and to those of you who say "All races commit crime! Stop being racist!", you are only preventing the problem from being acknowledged and solved.
Here are some statistics to prove how much more prone to crime Hispanics and Blacks are compared to whites and Asians. I posted this in another forum comparing Canada's and America's immigration systems.
49.97% of Toronto's population is foreign born.
59% of Miami is foreign born.
Miami's homicide rate is 19.6 per 100,000.
Toronto's homicide rate is 3.3 per 100,000!
There were 84 murders in Toronto (a city of 2.5 million) compared to 77 murders in Miami (a city of roughly 400,000).
Lets take a look at Census data for Toronto and Miami!
Toronto:
When adding up the East Asian groups, they make up 13.3% of Toronto's population. Southern Asians (the vast majority of which are Indians) make up 12% of the population. Southeast Asian groups make up another 5.6% of the population.
Essentially, Toronto's immigrant population is composed of mostly Southern and Eastern Asians.
Miami:
In miami, 66% of the population is of Hispanic origin (mostly Cuban). The city also has a very large Haitian community, but the census doesn't give reference to its exact numbers.
When linking the census data to the crime statistics in the post above, I do firmly believe that Asians are less likely to commit crime than Blacks or Hispanics.
Clearly, immigrants from China, India, Korea, and Taiwan cause less crime than immigrants from Latin America and the Caribbean. If more proof of this needs to be shown, it can be provided quite easily.
if you think this is the case for all hispanics and blacks then you are seriously ignorant.
poor areas exists for all people. there are plenty of impoverished "white" areas in the south and in the midwest.
poverty comes in all colors. even asian. filipinos and other asians also face socio-economic hurdles. they also live in the ghetto.
this has very little to do with race or ethnicity.
Agreed!!! if you read my entire post's you will see i also say the same thing for white trash people as well. What's this ALL black people ALL hispanics nobody here has ever said ALL of any group so in the words of Oklahoma state head coach....Get your facts straight!
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this has very little to do with race or ethnicity.
Agreed so why haven't Hispanics and blacks progressed like other ethnic groups? it's not b/c their black or hispanic but why? that is the question?
I am hispanic and will give what has been my observation. Not stat or charts, just my observation:
1. Cultural differences: In general orientals seem to be more education minded. I read en example from the the book "Ten things you can't say in America" by Larry Elder.
He cites in the book how a friend took him to a park where there were a lot of hispanic kids doing all these amazing skateboard moves. Now, he took him inside the library and showed him all these orieantal parents with their kids reading and doing research. He then asked him to fast forward the picture ten or twenty years into the future. He asked him who will be the future CEOs. Most likely the orientals.
2. Another cultural difference is the type of family relations each group has. I have been in the Army 31 years now. In those years I have noticed that the main reason many hispanic Soldiers get out is because the wife wants to live close to mom and dad. Many of those Soldiers have stated they like being in the service but decided to go where the wife wants them to go. I have explained the education opportunities to some hispanic families to enlist and take advantage of that. In one case the husband was the guy cleaning offices and we used to chat when he came to mine. A very bright and hard working young man. He wanted to advance in life. He was interested in enlisting for three years so he could get education assistance. His wife said no and he went along.
3. There are many social reform groups that in my opinion harm these groups than help them. They seem to have this victimization agenda and they keep feeding it to blacks, hispanic, and women and it is spreading to whites also. To me they keep making these groups feel the government and society owes them for being victims. In general many seem to accept government social programs and stay at the lowest economic level.
I look around and I see Jews and orientals. I do not see them in hordes demonstrating how bad it is. I am sure there may be pocket here and there. However, I venture to guess that if you look at ratios, they are not in unemployment lines in proportion to their numbers. They are not asking for food stamps as much either. They find a way to make it in life.
They are slowly but surely chugging along and opening businesses, going to school, getting college degrees. They are not just sitting down whinning how bad they got it and how they are victims of society even though they have been discriminated, remember how Japanese were sent to camps during WWI? If they do whine, they may do it while they are doing something about it.
I have copied their work ethic and their focus type cultural positives. My wife and I used to go to the library with our kids every weekend, we spend countless hours helping them with their homework, when we did not qualify for government scholarship assistance, my wife spend countless hour looking for scholarships all over the internet and made our youngest daughter sign so many applications and write so many papers required in the applications. It paid off. Whether it was $50 here, a $100 there, $500 over there, etc. She got enough for her to pay for all her four years and graduating this 16 May as a top 10 graduate. She still has leftover money from those scholarships to almost cover most of her masters program.
Following the example of Jews and orientals helped us, a hispanic family, go further in life.
You have a great day.
El Amigo
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