California contemplates ultimate reform - no welfare (health care, solution, cost)

[Connecticut Pam]

Originally Posted by Parrotrosie

THIS is a total DISGRACE for our Nation. I am a conservative, and I don't like many social programs, but I have ALWAYS advocated for better care for our military. If you have seen combat, IMHO, you should never have to SEE a medical bill, let alone PAY one! You should not be STUCK in VA hospitals, you should have your choice. Give you the same coverage the FATCATS in government have!! What have they done to EARN their benefits except tax us to death!I am sorry to hear how poorly your family was treated after all they had sacrificed for our Country. Thank you, and your husband - God Rest His Soul - for your sacrifices and service!Contrast this to the junkies who get food, shelter, hot meals, etc. Excuse me, I need to go vomit.

Thanks for caring. The sad part about all these Nam Vets is that they are often referred to as "crazy Nam Vets" yet when the vets come home from desert storm or Iraq, they have PTSD...never got that one. My late husband told me that his first encounter being scared to death in Nam was while he was on his way to the outside showers...his camp got shelled and he dove under the shower door and laid on the ground and was so scared he messed himself...He was only 18 at the time. Then, they discovered he could really shoot well, so he ended up a door gunner in a helicopter that would go into the jungle and pull guys out of prison camps, guys who were hurt..he had to be able to shoot over his fellow soldiers heads without hitting them and he did. He said he sat on his helmet so his butt wouldn't get shot thru the bottom of the helicopter. As I said, we got no help when he had his heart attack. His company's insurance paid most of the well over $100K bill from his stays in the hospital and insurance from his death paid the balance.

Perhaps if some of these professional athletes would each donate 2million of their big salaries, we could take care of our soldiers, our poor people and this big economic crises we find ourselves in. I don't know how any of them can take the salaries they do take and feel good about it when things are in such a mess. Think about it...all the ball players, football, basketball, soccer, tennis, golf...and more...each gave 2 million...wouldn't that be awesome??

[jtur88]

Originally Posted by Connecticut Pam

Perhaps if some of these professional athletes would each donate 2million of their big salaries, we could take care of our soldiers, our poor people and this big economic crises we find ourselves in.

Estimate how many athletes are making several million a year, and do the simple arithmetic and see how much that is, at 2-million each. Then write that number down next to the amount we are alrady spending on such programs. Pretty insignificant, isn't it?

The government doesn't pay those athletes salaries. You do. You pay, when you buy a ticket to an event, or when you patronize a sponsor of an event.

Stop paying those athlete's salaries, and instead of buying that ticket to the ball game or that 6-pack of the sponsor's beer, hand the money to a deserving person who having a hard time getting by.

Oh, one more thing. These pro athletes, in order to develop the skills needed to become a major league star, had to give up anything they might have done to have any other kind of a professional career. That is all they know. Most of them will only get that big salary for a few years, and is depending on that to assure his kids a good education, and maybe buy a house for his poor or middle class parents. Watch the game on TV tonight. Half of those players will make less than 3 or 4 million in their entire career. A WalMart greeter will make a million dollars in a lifetime, 40 years at $12 an hour.

[Parrotrosie]

Originally Posted by jtur88

So, let me see if I understand. The only reason we force people to simultaneously commute by the millions on clogged freeways to places where they perform mindless unproductive tasks, is some equally mindless fear that if they did not do that, they would swirl down into some sewer of indignity.

Did you miss the other part of my answer? Career criminality? Taking care of their families and properties?
And, I am not sure I really understand your questions...what do you mean by your question restated here

"Why do people still think that everybody needs to work, in order to keep American from running down?

One man with a bulldozer can do the work of a hundred by hand. Why do the other 99 have to keep going to work? To do what?"


America WILL run down without people maintaning it...
Everyone is crying the blues now they can't find a job, they have no money...so what is wrong with the other 99 going to work? The point of your question is lost on me.

Certainly, if someone was wise enough, and had money enough, then, No, they do not need to work! Otherwise... someone in the household needs to earn the keep....

[Rhenzanite]

Originally Posted by jtur88

So, let me see if I understand. The only reason we force people to simultaneously commute by the millions on clogged freeways to places where they perform mindless unproductive tasks, is some equally mindless fear that if they did not do that, they would swirl down into some sewer of indignity.

I love my job. My boyfriend loves his job. We both work at awesome smaller companies that do interesting and innovative things. I work my buns off to do well at my job and actually ENJOY getting up in the morning and making my commute which drives by the ocean, and then through farm country.

Sorry if you think everyone is a mindless drone doing unproductive boring tasks, but the reality is that some people enjoy going to work and being productive.

And I'm GLAD they're getting rid of welfare. Demolish the program and rebuild it from the ground up. Illegals of any nationality are not entitled to benefits, drug tests should be mandatory and often and any type of welfare should be temporary and ONLY for assistance, never a full wage.

[iluvcj]

Well the CalWORKs program worked for my friend. She was on the program for 3 yrs while at we were at community college. She just graduated with an A.S. in nursing and has just got a job at a local hospital making $38.00 per hr. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt.

[jtur88]

Originally Posted by Parrotrosie

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Everyone is crying the blues now they can't find a job,...

You just confirmed what I said. There is nothing for people to do. Employers have stopped paying people to just show up and do busy work. That huge labor force is not necessary, and when it comes time to pay people to do nothing, employers just say no.

[Parrotrosie]

Originally Posted by jtur88

You just confirmed what I said. There is nothing for people to do. Employers have stopped paying people to just show up and do busy work. That huge labor force is not necessary, and when it comes time to pay people to do nothing, employers just say no.

Well, I didn't get that from your original statement...then no, we don't need to employ persons for the sake of giving a 'job' if there is no work to be done BUT, let businesses do what they do best, without the crippling effects from the Governemnt, and there will be jobs o'plenty for all! They don't all have to be industrial, as you implied either...service jobs, healthcare jobs, support jobs (IT, computers, etc) The corporate tax structure is designed so stupidly in this Country that IT basically dictates corporate decisions and policy making,...not the normal parameters, such as, is something working, profitable, effective, and so forth.

I also disagree with what Unions do up here. Say they employ 50 people at a plant, they would rather work those folks 60-80 hours per week (paying overtime and doubletime on occasions) and that would be on a regular basis...not just certain times of the year. I say, employ more full timers or even some part timers! If work is there in sufficient hours...give someone a job! (but then, they have to pay bennies and all the other perks the unions wrestle over....thus costing GM $75 per hour for an out of HS rookie to join the team) I suppose it is cheaper to pay the doubletime.

[Ceece]

I don't work and I'm not a criminal. BUT...I have someone supporting me. THAT is key. Without money you can't survive.

[jtur88]

Originally Posted by Ceece

I don't work and I'm not a criminal. BUT...I have someone supporting me. THAT is key. Without money you can't survive.

You're absolutely right. It's not about jobs. It is about money. There is plenty of wealth in this country. There are not plenty of jobs. Some people think everyone ought to have a job. I think everyone ought to have money. That is more important. Without money, people lose faith in America and in themselves and in their future prospects. . It doesn't matter if they have jobs, it matters if they have money.

Seriously, how much imagination would it take to figure out a way to see that everyone has a dignifying amount of money, instead of creating a finite and variable number of jobs and leaving everybody else with nothing. The job nazi is just like Seinfeld's soup nazi. "No job for you". Which means no money, and you have already described the sad plight of people without money, and letting our republic collapse into that kind of ignominy..

[miu]

Originally Posted by jtur88

Nobody answered my question yesterday, so I'll try it out on you.

Why do people still think that everybody needs to work, in order to keep American from running down?

One man with a bulldozer can do the work of a hundred by hand. Why do the other 99 have to keep going to work? To do what?

So your thought is that only one person out of one hundred actually needs to work? And who gets to pick those 99 people out of a hundred that get the free ride? With a lottery?

I think that all people need to be productive and earn their own way. It's not healthy just to sit around all day not working and perhaps making babies, hanging out at shopping malls or stuffing ones face. I've always enjoyed working and paying my own way. And I don't mind if someone that is extraordinarily smart, skilled or hard working makes lots more money than me. They more than deserve their riches.