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I CHOOSE to not commit crimes so I stay out of jail so I don't have these "rights" problems. In my opinion you have commited a crime your rights should be suspended.
No, you are arguing that if you are accused of committing a crime your rights should be suspended.
My brother was a Federal Correction Officer. He has worked at a Super max all the way down to a camp. He got too stressed at the Super Max level after 6 years and transferred. He said at the Super Max level, you're dealing with people who's core values are pure evil with no other explanation for it. They simply have no regard for life and are sociopath's and usually not capable of being reformed.
At the camp level, he said most people in there did not really belong there. He felt most would be suitable to be out paying restitution for their white collar crimes, or doing community service and being under house arrest. They simply were not hardened criminals at the camp level and were ordinary people who made stupid mistakes and never came back.
the way that inmate got there is by abusing somebody's rights.
Ha! You really think? You can start by citing the 37,000 pages of federal laws. Then shift to state laws, then, international laws, that are enforced by the USA. Then tell me how many you may have violated throughout your life, without abusing another's rights, as you state.
the way that inmate got there is by abusing somebody's rights.
Unfortunately, for you and everyone else, we are human beings, subject to accidents, faults. Jail/prison can happen to a-n-y-o-n-e, a-n-y-t-i-m-e!!
It could happen to you tomorrow, or myself, realizing we're forever at risk of having an "accident".
And how many times, just in the last year, were any of us within a hair breath away from having an accident, going to jail or prison?
Take your eye off the wheel at the wrong place, wrong time, wrong second, wrong minute, and oops! Just your luck the woman you hit was pregnet!
Involuntary manslaughter?
And how many of us have really been tested as to what our breaking points may be? I'm sure many of us have come close to our breaking points, and we sigh deeply, thinking if just one more thing had happened that day, you might have been pushed straight over the edge with knife or gun at hand.
No, I'm saying that if you are convicted of a crime. I understand there are several stances and arguments going on in this thread.
No, you said "I CHOOSE to not commit crimes so I stay out of jail". But you cannot choose to not be a suspect, you cannot choose to not be accused, and therefore you cannot choose to stay out of a situation in which your rights will be exactly the same as a person who actually committed a crime and has been convicted. An innocent accused has exactly the same rights, and is treated exactly the same way on a day-to-day pretrial basis, as a guilty accused.
The reason you have collision insurance on your car is to cover you if you have an at-fault accident, and by having insurance, you acknowledge that such accidents can happen, even to you, no matter how cautions and prudent you may be. If someone is killed in such an accident, you go straight to jail, and now you have committed a crime, and staying out of jail is not an option. You will now have every shred of dignity methodically stripped from you by experts at that skill, be issued an orange jumpsuit, and escorted to a tiny filthy stinky cell to spend most of the rest of your life being brutalized at will by both official and unofficial sociopaths.
Here's the thing: I think the problem is more fundamental than only how we treat prisoners. It's the very place prison holds in American society. We have the highest incarceration rate in the world. Either:
(1) Americans are pretty horrible people. We lock so many people up, yet don't have a particularly low crime rate. We must all have horrible pathologies
or
(2) throwing people in prison doesn't make us safer and is driven mostly by a sense of revenge
I choose (2). It's shown once you put someone in jail, and aren't any less likely to commit a crime. They are actually more likely. We don't work enough on prevention and reform. And when we do, we don't do it with evidence-based methods often-times. Comprehensive programs, in general, work much better than the piece-meal programs we rely on. In addition, we should start with prevention from when they are infants. There are programs from pre-elementary onward that have shown to help.I love to plug this guys book, cuz it comes from a place I agree with: Amazon.com: Whatever It Takes: Geoffrey Canada's Quest to Change Harlem and America (9780618569892): Paul Tough: Books
Unfortunately, for you and everyone else, we are human beings, subject to accidents, faults. Jail/prison can happen to a-n-y-o-n-e, a-n-y-t-i-m-e!!
It could happen to you tomorrow, or myself, realizing we're forever at risk of having an "accident".
And how many times, just in the last year, were any of us within a hair breath away from having an accident, going to jail or prison?
Take your eye off the wheel at the wrong place, wrong time, wrong second, wrong minute, and oops! Just your luck the woman you hit was pregnet!
Involuntary manslaughter?
And how many of us have really been tested as to what our breaking points may be? I'm sure many of us have come close to our breaking points, and we sigh deeply, thinking if just one more thing had happened that day, you might have been pushed straight over the edge with knife or gun at hand.
Compassion and intelligence, please!
please indeed it is most astounding
san bruno jail has no rapists or murderers only victims of terrible misunderstandings. i mean what could you do after all you were pushed over the edge. you dont understand huck i had to do it.
That is essentially the same thing as saying: "The health insurance system in this country is broken; just one more reason not to get sick."
I agree with your statement; an ideal situation would be to arrest the suspected individual and then free them until trial. It is not practical though. Look at how many bail-jumpers there are as it is now.
I think the New York City Dept. of Corrections has a fair policy concerning this. If you are arrested and cannot afford bail they do two things:
1. You are housed seperately from convicted criminals; that is, all inmates who have not been convicted and are awaiting bail reduction or trial are housed together in a single unit.
2. You do not have to wear a prison issued jumpsuit. You are allowed to wear your personal clothing.
I think this policy should be adopted by city lock-ups and county jails nationwide. There is absolutely no reason why individuals who are innocent until proven guilty, who cannot afford their bail, should be housed together with convicted criminals or forced to wear the clothing of convicted criminals. This would be at least a small step in the right direction.
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Originally Posted by sickofnyc99
Umm I disagree. One usually does not choose to get colorectal cancer, one does choose to shove a gun in someone's face and take their money. So it's not saying the same thing.
I CHOOSE to not commit crimes so I stay out of jail so I don't have these "rights" problems. In my opinion you have commited a crime your rights should be suspended.
I believe we are talking about two very different things. I was refering to someone who has been accused of a crime; you are talking about someone who has been convicted of a crime. Anyway, American citizens accused of a crime have many rights guaranteed to them by The Bill of Rights; specifically:
Amendment IV (protection from unreasonable search and siezure)
Amendment V (due process guaranteed, double jeopardy restrictions)
Amendment VI (right to speedy trial, witnesses)
Amendment VII (right of trial by jury)
Amendment VIII (protection from excessive bail & cruel & unusual punishment)
Certainly you do not disagree with The Bill of Rights and the protections it affords people who have been ACCUSED of a crime..... or do you?
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