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Old 12-19-2009, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Nearly all of Mexico is safe and peaceful, with a few trouble spots.

It is more likely that, 20 years from now, there will be more illegal Americans in Mexico than there are illegal Mexicans in the USA now. As the US economy continues to spiral downward, the US will become impossible for many Americans to continue to make a living here and maintain the artificially high cost of living, so emigrating to Mexico will be a realistic option. In most of Mexico, it is possible to live with most of the comforts we are used to, but many things will not be necessary, like heating/AC, private cars, 3-bathroom houses with spacious yards, and processed foods shipped long distances. Medical services can provide 80% of the medical care you are used to, at 20% of the cost.
Looking at our birthrate: in 20 years there may likely be less Americans; or at least we will be older in average age----------especially if our illegal alien breeders are booted out en masse in the interim. And older folks are less likely to relocate.

Besides: if/when the USA really starts to deteriorate; we are most likely looking at 2100 or later----------not 2030.
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Old 12-19-2009, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I can only imagine what the West Coast environmentalists would do with Mexico City.....

Or what Texas law enforcement would do with Ciudad Juarez....

Or the tourist companies and condo developers out of Florida would do with the Caribbean coast, the gigantic Gulf Coast or the massive Pacifc Coast.....

It'll never happen....but there are some interesting "what if's".....
If I were a gambin' man; the odds are about 50/50 that the USA will need to do something about Mexico. Whether it is annexing the whole nation or parts thereof; placing it under control like we did after WW II with (West) Germany and Japan till they became stable democracies, etc. is unknown.

And we are discussing possibly 2-5 years now IMHO.
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Old 12-19-2009, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Louisiana
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Total insanity to even consider such an idea. It would result in the destruction of both nations.If Mexico became the 51st it would mean that any person in Mexico could move legally to any part of the US with any and all members of their family.The powerful Mexican drug cartels could move into the US at will and bring with them the deadly violence that plagues Mexico.The US would have to inject huge amounts of money and effort to bring Mexicos standard of living upward.That is just three things for starters,there are many more as to why this is a very,very bad idea.Mexico would get all of the advantages and benefits of such a move except one very important one;the loss of their national sovereignty.This is very important to the citizens of any nation,and Mexicans would resist such a proposal strongly.The idea of annexing Mexico was considered and wisely rejected in 1848 at the conclusion of the Mexican War.Today it is sheer fantasy and will never happen.
All great points, BS, but as with most of the posts in this thread, the failure to understand the foibles of being human is what brings down all societies. Principal among these is the something -for- nothing behavioral characteristic that drives most people. This is why the USA has become increasingly socialist over the decades, and why not attending to Mexico's maladies is such a disaster in the making.

No, Mexico should not become a state, but Americans should be taught that acquiring it as a colony to make use of its people and natural resources — while leaving its laws and social customs intact — could benefit us all. That way the drug cartels could be ended and the industry taken over by the government, thus making the American ideal against profit from drugs moot. Concurrently, drug laws in the USA could be eased and the products of Mexico could then be a legal — and TAXED — commodity that would make just about everyone happy.

Also, by keeping Mexico a colony, the tree-huggers that still believe in global warming could be kept at bay, thus assuring even more progress for a stable Mexico.
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Old 12-19-2009, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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All great points, BS, but as with most of the posts in this thread, the failure to understand the foibles of being human is what brings down all societies. Principal among these is the something -for- nothing behavioral characteristic that drives most people. This is why the USA has become increasingly socialist over the decades, and why not attending to Mexico's maladies is such a disaster in the making.

No, Mexico should not become a state, but Americans should be taught that acquiring it as a colony to make use of its people and natural resources — while leaving its laws and social customs intact — could benefit us all. That way the drug cartels could be ended and the industry taken over by the government, thus making the American ideal against profit from drugs moot. Concurrently, drug laws in the USA could be eased and the products of Mexico could then be a legal — and TAXED — commodity that would make just about everyone happy.

Also, by keeping Mexico a colony, the tree-huggers that still believe in global warming could be kept at bay, thus assuring even more progress for a stable Mexico.
If such were to occur: any aspect of Mexican culture that conflicts with ours would have to be changed------------up to and including banning bullfighting, phasing out the official use of Spanish in favor of English (similar to what we did with the Philippines over a hundred years ago), etc.

Frankly: if I had my druthers; I would prefer to see Mexico as a New World version of Spain----------affluent, stable, where the Rule of Law holds sway and keeping the best parts of its Indian and Spanish based cultures.
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Old 12-19-2009, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Annex Mexico? er. Shouldn't we more concerned about holding on to California and Texas?
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Old 12-19-2009, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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phasing out the official use of Spanish in favor of English (similar to what we did with the Philippines over a hundred years ago),)
Our atrocities in the Philippines led to the death of about 10% of the Philippine population, and now they speak Tagalog instead of Spanish. Oh, goody, lets do that now to Mexico. Kill 10% of the Mexicans and leave the rest speaking Quechua. The rest of the world already hates us (for our freedom--ha ha) , so we might as well.
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Old 12-19-2009, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Our atrocities in the Philippines led to the death of about 10% of the Philippine population, and now they speak Tagalog instead of Spanish. Oh, goody, lets do that now to Mexico. Kill 10% of the Mexicans and leave them all speaking Quechua.
Or we can leave Mexico to the 'tender mercies' of the drug cartels-------whose actions are rather reminiscent of what happened in the 19th Century.

Pick your poison.
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Old 12-19-2009, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Or we can leave Mexico to the 'tender mercies' of the drug cartels-------whose actions are rather reminiscent of what happened in the 19th Century.

Pick your poison.
Without the American drug market and consumers, there is no drug cartel. That is a problem we need to repair internally without involving Mexico at all. Don't blame Mexico for making America what it is. Mexicans don't buy or use drugs. We do. We created the problem, and have no business destroying other countries before addressing our own culpability.
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Old 12-19-2009, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Without the American drug market and consumers, there is no drug cartel. That is a problem we need to repair internally without involving Mexico at all. Don't blame Mexico for making America what it is. Mexicans don't buy or use drugs. We do. We created the problem, and have no business destroying other countries before addressing our own culpability.
Try again. Your prejudice against the USA is rearing its ugly head. More and more drugs are heading to Europe vs. the USA as of late----------and, more and more drugs are being consumed in Mexico.

Newsvine - Progress in Mexico drug war is drenched in blood

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But the U.S. market is being eclipsed by booming demand for cocaine in Europe, where users now pay twice the going U.S. rate, and Colombian gangs don't need Mexican middlemen when shipping across the Atlantic.

Mexican gangs have tried to develop their own routes into Europe, even forging ties to the Italian Mafia. But they have had limited success and Medina Mora predicts the Colombians will win out in the end.
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Old 12-19-2009, 07:30 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Why take on a burden of a country that has never had stbilty and is so corrupt. When you annex anyhting it has to have alot of potential not a future of increasing violence and just a burden.
Agreed. We are already in enough financial trouble without having to appropriate another 20 trillion a year for the next 50 years to try and clean Mexico up. Fighting the cartels, rooting out all the corruption() the latter being the big problem. Lol, our politicians would be taking regular trips down there for 'educational' opportunities. Learning how to REALLY put a fleecing on us. And , just exactly, how many electoral votes would a state of that size carry? Seems to me they could singlehandedly decide presidential elections..
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