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Old 12-25-2009, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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Originally Posted by Braunwyn View Post
It's not free. Who is paying for the electricity, net connections, maintenance...even the chairs their nasty arses are sitting on? In my town, I pay. Why? because I pay a but load in property taxes. And I have little doubt the morons going to the library my money provides are not contributing. Having to stop their nastiness via more tax dollars would, again, be the fault of the inconsiderate perv. And then there's the small fact that this argument doesn't hold water. You can say the same thing about the police, any regulation, any kind of reform.

Frankly, it would be far easier if all these guys go together, started a club, paid for their own internet, and got together to do their business side by side, rather than subjecting the children of the people that actually keep the library open.

And to be clear, nothing at the library is free. I'm willing to pay in order to help educate people. It's assinine that any one would suggest that the tax payer should have to pay for perv behavior.

To add - I absolutely believe these people get their kicks by involving others via a public venue; otherwise they would do it in private. And if you (general you) cannot afford a computer and internet to watch your porn in private, then get a job.
You missed the point.

If you're willing to pay in order to educate people then the computer and internet connection, electricity, maintenance and chairs are already paid for.

Are you willing to pay MORE so that the library can take whatever steps to restrict access to pornography?

 
Old 12-25-2009, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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It's not free. Who is paying for the electricity, net connections, maintenance...even the chairs their nasty arses are sitting on?.
You mean the electric utility company will lower their rates if they filter the porn, and they can lay off a now-redundant maintenance worker?

I always thought there was a fixed cost to keeping the library open, whether anybody looks at porn or not.

How much can I reduce my own cost of housing, food and utilities, if I stop looking at porn at home?
 
Old 12-25-2009, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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Then, all religious sites ought to be filtered by public computers. To allow people to view religious sites on library computers constitutes funding religion with tax money.
Ridiculous. I don't care if my children view sites about other religions, but I do care if some perv is looking at porn where they might see it.
 
Old 12-25-2009, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Ridiculous. I don't care if my children view sites about other religions, but I do care if some perv is looking at porn where they might see it.
But the constitution provides for the public computer to not be used for religious content. The first amendment says nothing about separation of porn and state. What you care about doesn't matter. The Constitution does, if you want to continue to live in a nation of laws. If the porn site is illegal, have the owners of it arrested. That is your remedy. If it is not illegal, it is free speech and commerce and is protected on purlic property by the constitution, but disseminating religious proselytization on a public computer is not protected.
 
Old 12-25-2009, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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You realize that anyone watching porn at the library right now is doing so for 'free' right?

It'd only raise the amount of 'tax dollars' you pay by doing something to stop it.
They'd have to know how to get around the filters installed so that they can't look at it.
 
Old 12-25-2009, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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But the constitution provides for the public computer to not be used for religious content. The first amendment says nothing about separation of porn and state. What you care about doesn't matter. The Constitution does, if you want to continue to live in a nation of laws. If the porn site is illegal, have the owners of it arrested. That is your remedy. If it is not illegal, it is free speech and commerce and is protected on purlic property by the constitution, but disseminating religious proselytization on a public computer is not protected.
I don't think they are 'disseminating' on the public computer.

They are disseminating on their own private server.
 
Old 12-25-2009, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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I don't think they are 'disseminating' on the public computer.

They are disseminating on their own private server.
OK, substitute "the allowing of disseminated" for "disseminating".
 
Old 12-25-2009, 06:06 PM
 
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You missed the point.
No, I didn't. It wasn't that striking of a point. What's striking is that I pay $5k a year in property taxes to pay for public amenities. That means I work for just under an entire month to, in part, provide public services for my community. And I have no problem with that. I have a problem with exhibitionists utilizing the public dole to get aroused. No thanks.

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If you're willing to pay in order to educate people then the computer and internet connection, electricity, maintenance and chairs are already paid for.

Are you willing to pay MORE so that the library can take whatever steps to restrict access to pornography?
Absolutely. And if this is going to be an issue, I would also like to see those who are not members of the community pay a fee when using the library. Perhaps that would help with the minimal costs of utilizing filters.

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You mean the electric utility company will lower their rates if they filter the porn, and they can lay off a now-redundant maintenance worker?
No, I mean I pay that electric bill. And I don't want to give you (general you) one dime, be it via electricity, a seat for your behind, whatever, so that you can do your thing with porn.

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How much can I reduce my own cost of housing, food and utilities, if I stop looking at porn at home?
How about you pay for your neighbors internet connection so he can view porn. Would you be willing? Of course not. To ask the same of me (the tax payer) is equally ridiculous.

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Ridiculous. I don't care if my children view sites about other religions, but I do care if some perv is looking at porn where they might see it.
These folk are under the impression that their state of arousal is on par with the influences of religion and politics in this country.

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Originally Posted by jtur88 View Post
But the constitution provides for the public computer to not be used for religious content. The first amendment says nothing about separation of porn and state. What you care about doesn't matter. The Constitution does, if you want to continue to live in a nation of laws. If the porn site is illegal, have the owners of it arrested. That is your remedy. If it is not illegal, it is free speech and commerce and is protected on purlic property by the constitution, but disseminating religious proselytization on a public computer is not protected.
What he cares about certainly matters. He's the one paying for it, you OTOH are not; unless you pay property taxes.

I dare you to go stand in front of your town hall with your laptop, play a porn movie for all to see, and then tell me from your cell all about your constitutional protections.
 
Old 12-25-2009, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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I have a problem with exhibitionists utilizing the public dole to get aroused.

I would also like to see those who are not members of the community pay a fee when using the library. Perhaps that would help with the minimal costs of utilizing filters.
Ok then. Print this out and take it to your next city council meeting.

Just curious, do you go to the library often, and is people doing their thing with porn a big problem that you've observed?
 
Old 12-25-2009, 08:08 PM
 
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Ok then. Print this out and take it to your next city council meeting.

Just curious, do you go to the library often, and is people doing their thing with porn a big problem that you've observed?
My town has five libraries. There is one near my house where I have a card. I get audio and regular books. At a library! Go figure. I have no idea if they allow porn on the net. I do know that I see kids coming and going. Before this thread, I had no idea there would be such idiotic people wanting to view porn so kids could watch. It just didn't dawn on me.

To be clear again, if you (general you) are interested in watching porn at a public library, that means you have an interest in having children watch you get off. You do not belong there. Go home. Clean yourself up. Get a job. Buy your own internet connection. Take care of yourself in private.
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