Do you know any real Pro-lifers?

[Sandpointian]

Originally Posted by jtur88

Now you know someone. I am in favor of legislation that permits voluntary medical euthanasia, like Dr. Kavorkian's procedures. There is very little opposition to the do-not-resuscitate provision in living wills. I don't think there are very many people who are opposed to putting down a dog that is in a state of permanent terminal suffering.

This is not inconsistent with my view. The default is life. "Permanent terminal suffering" gives reason for deviating from the default.

Originally Posted by jtur88

Being absolutely in favor of life is as irrational as being absolutely for or against anything else.

I would not go so far as to call it irrational, but rather potentially irrational, and perhaps impractical or immoral. Extreme cases should always cause us pause in our rules and judgments.

One cannot legislate morality, but by the same token, one also cannot force others to pay for the immorality (from the POV of those against abortion) of others. Not all abortions are the same, just like not all plastic surgery is the same. Let those that are deemed elective and lifestyle-driven pay not only for themselves but for the more tragic-case abortions. If the health care system focused on its version of the three R's, costs would drop >50%. Instead, taxpayers subsidize everything, including the billions spent on saving the most vile amongst us. We are not so rich to afford such luxuries.

Common Sense will lead to a policy that is philosophically pro-life and practically flexible.

From what I see of the left, their default is for everything to be dumped onto taxpayers regardless of strong opinions to the contrary: state socialism, anti-markets, and wholly static.

S.

[tvdxer]

Originally Posted by J'aimeDesVilles

I always find those that go by the label "Pro-life" confusing and hypocritical.

It seems to me if one is truly pro-life than not only are they against abortion but they would also;

... be against capital punishment

I am, but a valid pro-life argument can be made in favor of it, too. An innocent, unborn person is not the same as a murderer.

... be in favor of stem-cell research

Embryonic stem cell research requires the destruction of human embryos, essentially human persons at a very early stage. So I would say an authentic pro-lifer would be AGAINST rather than for (embryonic) stem-cell research. However, I am fully in favor of research in which the stem cells are obtained from alternative sources.

[quote]... be a pacifist and anti-gun[.quote]

Killing in legitimate self-defense against an aggressor is not the same as killing an unborn victim. That said, I do feel negatively about going to war in Iraq.

... be against hunting, fishing, and trapping

Since when do the rights of human beings extend to animals? Should we extend them even further to plants?

That is, unless you're using the biological definition of life. But do "pro-choice" people support choice in other areas than abortion or contraception? Do they support school choice (vouchers)? Do they support home choice (the choice whether or not to live way out in the suburbs)?

be against animal testing that requires death of animal
... be a vegetarian or a vegan
... be environmentally conscious and concerned about climate change.

Again, you extend the rights of human beings to irrational animals.

As far as "being environmentally conscious and concerned about climate change", I see a point there, though whether humans are involved in our changing climate is debated.

However in practice, just the opposite seems to be the case. Do you know of anyone who is truly pro-life? I sure don't. Some of the Amish may come close but none of the "lifers" I have ever met.

That's because you have a flawed definition of "pro-life".

[Tin Knocker]

Originally Posted by J'aimeDesVilles

I always find those that go by the label "Pro-life" confusing and hypocritical.

It seems to me if one is truly pro-life than not only are they against abortion but they would also;

... be against capital punishment
... be in favor of stem-cell research
... be a pacifist and anti-gun
... be against hunting, fishing, and trapping
... be against animal testing that requires death of animal
... be a vegetarian or a vegan
... be environmentally conscious and concerned about climate change.

However in practice, just the opposite seems to be the case. Do you know of anyone who is truly pro-life? I sure don't. Some of the Amish may come close but none of the "lifers" I have ever met.

Being pro life means only that they dont like killing fetuses & has nothing to do with anything else you mention. Otherwise the term would predate medical abortion.

Most also base their feelings on religious beliefs which condone capitol punishment and hunting. The subject has nothing to do with guns, vegetarianism, climate change, animal testing or stem cell research for rational people.

That said I'm pro choice, tho I would not choose to kill a baby I'll let others decide for themselves how to treat their children.

[Mahiahiono]

Originally Posted by J'aimeDesVilles

I always find those that go by the label "Pro-life" confusing and hypocritical.

It seems to me if one is truly pro-life than not only are they against abortion but they would also;

... be against capital punishment
... be in favor of stem-cell research
... be a pacifist and anti-gun
... be against hunting, fishing, and trapping
... be against animal testing that requires death of animal
... be a vegetarian or a vegan
... be environmentally conscious and concerned about climate change.

However in practice, just the opposite seems to be the case. Do you know of anyone who is truly pro-life? I sure don't. Some of the Amish may come close but none of the "lifers" I have ever met.

No don't know any of the freaks you describe above. But then, who would admit such a thing.

MahiAhaOno