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I'm curious about this persistent indication that a disproportionate number of pedophiles are homosexual.
I've tried to avoid religious publications and blogs, as well as anything connected to NAMBLA - for obvious reasons - but still seem to come up with statistics show that while 2%-3% of men are homosexual, homosexual men commit roughly 1/3 of the criminal acts of pedophilia.
Are those numbers being misrepresented, are they accurate, is there something that's missing here? What?
I think you need to read the whole article because your conclusions do not agree with the author's. You are confusing gay men who are only interested in adults, with male pedophiles whose sexual interest is tied into the age of their victim more than the gender. He explains it quite well.
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The scientific error, however, is not in the measurement of sex ratios of victims, but in the failure to recognize that homosexual pedophilia and homosexual teleiophilia are distinct and that humans do not shift between them. Attempts to change age-orientation have been as dismal as attempts to change sex-orientation. As a corollary, among non-specialists there also exists a general failure to recognize heterosexual pedophilia as distinct from heterosexual teleiophilia. (*teleiophilia =sexual interest in adults)
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To this point, it does appear that the proportion of male children among all victims of childhood sexual abuse indeed exceeds the proportion of gay men among all men. It does not follow, however, that gay men are disproportionately responsible for these offenses. Scientifically informed discussion of the relationship between homosexuality and pedophilia requires (1) careful use of specific terminology and (2) an understanding of the basic structure and etiology of human sexuality. Arguments from the radical right frequently depend on their lack.
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The evidence suggests, however, that homosexual pedophilia is most closely linked with heterosexual pedophilia; pedophiles differentiate less between males and females than do teleiophiles, when they receive a psychophysiological test of erotic preference (Freund & Langevin, 1976; Freund et al., 1991). This suggests that a pedophiles would assault a child of the less preferred sex more frequently than a teleiophile would become sexually involved with someone of the less preferred sex. This underscores that the proportion of homosexuality in pedophilia cannot be meaningfully compared to the proportion of homosexuality in teleiophilia.
Here's another link for you which looks at how some groups have deliberately distorted and misrepresented studies.
No, but "because God said so" is not a valid reason, not when it comes to law making, and that's why his argument has nothing to do with the case.
You can't quote the bible as a source of truth.
Or a source of "morals" either. Thank goodness we don't live by the morals of the Christian Bible where:
Abraham married his sister Sarah, had a child by her slave woman Hagar and children by his concubines.
Where having multiple wives/concubines was common.
Where Lot offered up his 2 virgin daughters to be gang raped. Then later had incestuous sex with them.
Where a man could rape a virgin as long as he paid 50 shekels of silver to her father because he defiled his property. Then the girl was forced to marry her rapist.
Where a woman whose husband had died had to marry his brother to continue his bloodline.
Where Yahweh ordered his people to massacre neighbouring tribes but keep all the virgin girls for themselves.
Where if any of those kidnapped virgins didn't please a man, they could just be kicked out of his tent.
Where children who were disobedient were supposed to be stoned to death.
Where long hair on men was dishonourable and against nature (according to Paul. But what about all those pictures of Jesus with long hair??? oops!)
The list of things in the Bible we would consider "immoral" today goes on and on and on.
Why would anyone base their "morals" on a book written by men thousands of years ago when women were nothing more than chattel, slaves were used for sex, and goats got their throats cut then burnt in a sacrifice that was pleasing to the Lord?
I think the O/P's question was "What is the difference between a homosexual Man and a gay MAN."
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Originally Posted by RUBIES77
Putting that to the side for a while: If a homosexual MALE sexually abuses a MALE child, doesn't he qualifies as a PEDOPHILE? So please tell me: How does being a homosexual male and being a MALE PEDOPHILE, who abuses MALE children so different?
Well there is a big difference between a gay man who is only emotionally and physically attracted to other adult men and a man who sometimes just has sex with someone of the same gender but has no real emotional or physical attraction to men (think prisons).
And there is a BIG difference between a gay man who is only emotionally and physically interested in adult men, and a pedophile whose only interest lies with the AGE of his victim and the ACCESS to his victim more than the gender of his victim.
If you think about it, men in general have much easier access to male children than to female children- boys schools, sport activities, coaches, priests/altar boys etc.
Think about how wary our society is about men being left alone with young girls in general, but not as wary about leaving them alone with young boys? Why do you suppose that it?
Yes, many same-sex-[Lesbian] couples are very loving, excellent parents, but the O/P, seems to be referring to NAMBLA, The North American Man/Boy Love Association, which identifies itself as being an association composed of homosexual/gay males, and he/she seems to be concerned about the impact this association will have on the legal adoptions of children.
Putting that to the side for a while: If a homosexual MALE sexually abuses a MALE child, doesn't he qualifies as a PEDOPHILE? So please tell me: How does being a homosexual male and being a MALE PEDOPHILE, who abuses MALE children so different?
NAMBLA (not that they really exist as much more than a website anymore)focus on teenage boys not pre-pubescent boys. They are hebephiles rather pedophiles. Not that I in any way approve of hebephilia either.
But really, how different are they from all the millions of adult "heterosexual" men who fantasize about having sex with young virgin teenage school girls? Just google words like "teenage girl virgin schoolgirl rape" and see what you get. .
As a mother of a teenage daughter, step-mother to 2 more teenage daughters and aunt to 2 teenage boys, I'd happily shoot any adult male who came anywhere near any of them with sex in mind.
Here is a quite lengthy detailed report from the APA on gay and lesbian parenting. Lesbian & Gay Parenting
And here is a report which shows the costs of NOT allowing same-sex marriage - on the children of same-sex parents. It also has some interesting stats on demographics from the 2000 census: http://www.hrc.org/documents/costkids.pdf
45.6 percent of married heterosexual partners are raising children
43.1 percent of unmarried heterosexual partners are raising children
34.3 percent of female gay couples are raising children
22.3 percent of male gay couples are raising children
There are MANY gay couples who have children. (biological as well as adopted). Those stats kind of destroy the argument from anti-same-sex marriage people that marriage is "only between a man and a woman" because "marriage is for the purpose of having children".
Gen 1:27 And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him. He created them male and female. not Johnny and Johnny of Janie and Janie
First blessing of God---
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, Be fruitful, and multiply and fill the earth, and subdue it. J&J and J&J are already fruity so no fruit there.
Gen 1:27 And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him. He created them male and female. not Johnny and Johnny of Janie and Janie
First blessing of God---
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them. And God said to them, Be fruitful, and multiply and fill the earth, and subdue it. J&J and J&J are already fruity so no fruit there.
Let's do some more quotes shall we?
Second Greatest Commandment... “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” -Jesus (Matt 22:36-40)
YOU HYPOCRITES! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.’” -Jesus (Matt 15:7-9)
"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image, when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do." - Anne Lamott
Please understand that I am not against the legalization of same-sex-marriages.
What I am mainly concern is the adoption process of children, and what impact the North American Man/Boy Association, better known as NAMBLA, will have once gays earn the right to adopt. What are your thoughts on this topic? Thank you,
Great point.
Please understand that I am not against the legalization of male-female marriages.
What I am mainly concerned about is the introduction of children into homes where they may be fattened up, slaughtered, and made into stew, and what impact the legalization of male-female marriages will have once they earn the right to have children. What are your thoughts on this topic?
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