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Old 02-03-2010, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
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Actually, everything show us that the "American Empire" begin its end.
We have to accept this fact naturally. All human history tell us too, every great empires in the world have emerged, grown and gone (The Persian empire, The Roman Empire, British Empire and so on...)
I think it has reached to the "point no return".
And what about you??
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Old 02-03-2010, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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It doesn't matter. China will be next, but who cares? Do you think the people of Zambia or Cambodia care whether the world is dominated by an American empire or a Chinese empire?

Britain controlled India for centuries, but India remained India, and is still India, and there is nothing particularly British about it, except that the British gave them a common language of commerce, which most Indians still don't speak, and there are no Christians at all in India to speak of, and the Indians still eat real food instead of boiled salty meat and oatmeal. So what did it matter whether it was Britain or somebody else who controlled the empire that included India?

So China will be the dominant power in the world, but the USA will continue to be pretty much what it is today. The only difference will be that all the billionaires will be Chinese instead of American, and we won't have to pay the cost of all those silly wars anymore.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
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It doesn't matter. China will be next, but who cares? Do you think the people of Zambia or Cambodia care whether the world is dominated by an American empire or a Chinese empire?

Britain controlled India for centuries, but India remained India, and is still India, and there is nothing particularly British about it, except that the British gave them a common language of commerce, which most Indians still don't speak, and there are no Christians at all in India to speak of, and the Indians still eat real food instead of boiled salty meat and oatmeal. So what did it matter whether it was Britain or somebody else who controlled the empire that included India?

So China will be the dominant power in the world, but the USA will continue to be pretty much what it is today. The only difference will be that all the billionaires will be Chinese instead of American, and we won't have to pay the cost of all those silly wars anymore.
Be careful not to be too naive. If anything human history shows that empires are hardly perfect substitutes for one another.

If the world thinks that there will be no difference under Chinese domination (which will not happen by the way) as compared with the US, then I feel sad for the historical intelligence of this country.

S.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:18 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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It doesn't matter. China will be next, but who cares? Do you think the people of Zambia or Cambodia care whether the world is dominated by an American empire or a Chinese empire?

Britain controlled India for centuries, but India remained India, and is still India, and there is nothing particularly British about it, except that the British gave them a common language of commerce, which most Indians still don't speak, and there are no Christians at all in India to speak of, and the Indians still eat real food instead of boiled salty meat and oatmeal. So what did it matter whether it was Britain or somebody else who controlled the empire that included India?

So China will be the dominant power in the world, but the USA will continue to be pretty much what it is today. The only difference will be that all the billionaires will be Chinese instead of American, and we won't have to pay the cost of all those silly wars anymore.
China? There demographics point to a peak, the will grow but they will go the way of Japan.

The next dominant country will be India, their demographics are much more favorable and they are way ahead politically.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Actually, everything show us that the "American Empire" begin its end.
We have to accept this fact naturally. All human history tell us too, every great empires in the world have emerged, grown and gone (The Persian empire, The Roman Empire, British Empire and so on...)
I think it has reached to the "point no return".
And what about you??
I do think America is past it's prime, and will only decline as time goes on. But I suspect it will endure for a LONG time, like a terminally ill elderly patient that stays alive and half-coherent for years even though their quality of life is gone.

It will be fun.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Sandpoint, Idaho
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Actually, everything show us that the "American Empire" begin its end.
We have to accept this fact naturally. All human history tell us too, every great empires in the world have emerged, grown and gone (The Persian empire, The Roman Empire, British Empire and so on...)
I think it has reached to the "point no return".
And what about you??
I see no decline in the US empire. Rather I see its domination spreading. The dominant model in almost every industry is according to US designs. This is most especially in China, which was incredibly backwards toward the end of the Qing dynasty, brutish during the Warlord period following the establishment of the Republic, and a basket case under Stalinism. Only with the embrace of the market under Deng Xiaoping, particularly since the Tiananmen debacle, have we seen China come close to its potential.

A visit to modern China is a visit to an Americanized version of China.

Rather than turning over, this definition of "empire" is simply gaining momentum!

Let's not forget, US terrtoriality since WW2 is miniscule compared with the previous attempts at empire. What we have is commerce and our way of life. The US model, the most successful in history, is not so based on opinion, but based on its successful adoption worldwide. Not even close.

S.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:33 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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#1. America never had an "empire", the United States never had an emperor.

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empire - 1 a (1) : a major political unit having a territory of great extent or a number of territories or peoples under a single sovereign authority; especially : one having an emperor as chief of state (2) : the territory of such a political unit b : something resembling a political empire; especially : an extensive territory or enterprise under single domination or control
2 : imperial sovereignty, rule, or dominion
I wonder why people always choose to use the word "empire" when describing the United States.

What the USA had/has is a hegemony, not an "empire".

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hegemony - 1 : preponderant influence or authority over others
2 : the social, cultural, ideological, or economic influence exerted by a dominant group
Our nation's culture swept across many lands which influenced our nation's policy toward other nations.

We've got the appearance of being a dominant culture, because we have a great public relations machine. I don't think American influence will disappear any time soon. There is a lot to be desired in American culture and the world knows that.

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Old 02-03-2010, 01:44 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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China? There demographics point to a peak, the will grow but they will go the way of Japan.

The next dominant country will be India, their demographics are much more favorable and they are way ahead politically.
India and China's history with regard to human rights leave a lot to be desired, neither one of those nations will be dominant in any arena.
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Old 02-03-2010, 01:50 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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If the world thinks that there will be no difference under Chinese domination (which will not happen by the way) as compared with the US, then I feel sad for the historical intelligence of this country.

S.
I would point to the example of Hong Kong. When the ruling power over Hong Kong switched from the UK to China in 1999, the difference in Hong Kong was imperceptible, and has remained so.

Let's look at a possible scenario. The US has a GDP of 12-trillion, China 3-trillion. But one third of the US wealth is owned by the top one percent, so if China comes in and replaces all our top earners with their own executives, that could reduce our aggregate wages by 4-trillion, without lowering the earning power of a single productive clock-puncher,, who would still have 8-trillion to divide up among themselves. By diverting that 4-trillion to China, it would more than double their current GDP, and with equitable wage distribution that they are inclined to, the average Chinese worker would have three times the earning power. America's workers would be just as well off, and China's would be much better off. The only losers would be the poor American billionaires, who would have to move to ordinary suburban houses and send their children to state universities with the rest of us.

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Old 02-03-2010, 01:55 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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India and China's history with regard to human rights leave a lot to be desired, neither one of those nations will be dominant in any arena.
Human rights influence I agree but economically India is learning the "American Way" very fast. They also like western culture a lot more than China, look at how many people in India are into our music and types of T.V. shows.
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