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What a lot of folks don't realize is that immigrating legally isn't a question of money/being too poor or cheap to do it legally. The fact is, the US actually has CONDITIONS on who they allow in and HOW MANY from each country, each year. Chain immigration is happening as we speak (people who become citizens by marriage or birth, who then invite their relatives to join them in the hand-out fest).
If it were only a question of money, then coyotes would not be earning thousands of dollars PER PERSON that they smuggle into the country.
I do not endorse exploitation of any class of people - which is basically what is going on here. The corporations are exploiting not only their illegal workforce but also the citizen taxpayers who end up picking up the tab for all the social and health services the illegals end up costing them. With unemployment what it is today, it is unconscionable that the US doesn't start enforcing the immigration laws and start penalizing the firms that hire illegals, as well as the illegals, and everyone else involved in the racket.
So I was listening to the radio a couple of days ago, and some bleeding heart group is claiming that Illegal immigrants are nothing more than slaves. They want equal rights, for ILLEGAL immigrants, that by the way, they call "undocumented workers". I think that if you are here illegally, you chose the path and the life you have. You can improve yourself just as easily as a canuck or European immigrant who goes through the LEGAL process of becoming a citizen. Why can't these people understand?
There are many flaws in your post, sorry.
Before I begin I would like to state that I am anti-illegals as well however this is a deep issue with many levels, these issues have taken years to manifest to what we are observing today.
First we begin with the amnesty during the 80's ( Regean) then again most recently with (Bush) allowing workers and their families ( up to 4 gens back) to reside here.
The issue that is most prevalent and has nothing to do with illegals breaking the law?
The reality? Is that Corporate America, AG companies, Private Companies and so forth ( You get the jist) makes this influx of illegal immigrants possible. How? They continue to employ ilegal imm., they seek illegal workers ( They actually seek their assistance in their own respective countries) Promising them if they sell what little they have, leave their families they will be paid 2 times fold what they make in their country.
IMHO...if there is nothing here to come to, why come?
You stated a key word here, "Slaves" what some of these companies do is lure indentured servants under false pretenses so in effect what to do? When the gig is up and you find yourself duped, no money, no real paying job? You scramble to find work in any manner you can, this is survival.
As far as the proper channels? I agree, however most visas can take up to 10 years period, and require money, it is not free.We need immigration reform asap.
BTW..here is an excelent site to make you aware of what the bleeding heart group may have been referring too; SPLCenter.org: Legal Action
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Originally Posted by BigDGeek
We wouldn't, but the proper channels are usually not available to them. I am vehemently anti-illegal, but I acknowledge that it is also usually not possible for them to "get in line" and become legal.
I think this is NOT a bad thing. Immigration in this country (and in many other wealthy nations) is designed to benefit the receiving nation, NOT the immigrant, with exceptions made for humanitarian asylum cases which comprise a small percentage of overall immigration.
We expect immigrants to be educated and highly skilled, and capable of contributing to our society at a high level without being a burden to taxpayers. This is not unreasonable at all. People need to remember that. Immigration is not a charity and it's not a giveaway or free-for-all. If you don't qualify, then you don't qualify. Learn to read, acquire a skill, try again.
I agree with several comments you posted.
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Originally Posted by Fred314X
I agree with you, but the catch is that we live in the Age of Entitlement. People expect to be handed privileges (which they insist are "rights") without having to do any of the work that was considered necessary in the past to attain those privileges.
And calling illegal immigrants "undocumented workers" doesn't make the problem go away--except in the minds of the apologists.
I am confused. I think this applies to all not just "Illegal imm". We most certainly live in an age of entitlement and this extends to include red blooded americans that are constantly milking the system..
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Originally Posted by Fred314X
Well, maybe we're getting somewhere after all! So you're limiting the phenomenon of illegal immigrants to Mexicans, I see. (That being the case, I'd like to know what to call the thousands of Russians and Poles who've come to New York City illegally).
Nail on head, excatly...I guess it depends on demos?
What do you mean, when you say "the proper channels are not usually available to them" Do you mean that it costs too much? Then they should stop sending 80% of their paycheck back home, and use it to get legal, then get a better job, then send money home.
Do you mean that they don't qualify for citizenship for some reason? Please elaborate a little for me.
No; the cost of processing visas is high but it is supposed to be, because that system is designed to cost the taxpayers as little as possible by putting most of the expenses on the immigrants themselves. But that is not why. It is because they do not qualify for most, if any, of the visas we offer. If they have a legal family member here they can qualify via family-based immigration but the waiting list for Mexican nationals (and Chinese, Indian, and Filippino nationals) is long. They do not want to wait.
Too bad, they don't want to wait. Follow the rules, or GTFO.
I know the so called 'plight of farmworkers' I live less than a 30 minute drive from Immokalee, the center of this "war on slavery" by the ignorant bleeding heart groups. The facts are simple, these people are here illegally, and need to go. I wouldn't mind paying more for produce that was picked by legal citizens, because legal citizens would in turn put more money back into the economy, fixing cars, buying clothes, etc...
I have a good friend who's family came here illegally, and they are now all legal citizens, it is a long process, he and his entire family picked produce in Miami until they could afford to start the process, they are all fairly successful now, it is possible, it is hard, but it is possible
Too bad, they don't want to wait. Follow the rules, or GTFO.
I know the so called 'plight of farmworkers' I live less than a 30 minute drive from Immokalee, the center of this "war on slavery" by the ignorant bleeding heart groups. The facts are simple, these people are here illegally, and need to go. I wouldn't mind paying more for produce that was picked by legal citizens, because legal citizens would in turn put more money back into the economy, fixing cars, buying clothes, etc...
I have a good friend who's family came here illegally, and they are now all legal citizens, it is a long process, he and his entire family picked produce in Miami until they could afford to start the process, they are all fairly successful now, it is possible, it is hard, but it is possible
Hmm, I see you blatantly ignored my post which supplied a excellent resource as to why some of these illegals are here period. Had you checked the site out you would have learned that US companies actually "Bought plane tickets" stayed at hotels and ate good food ( All paid by the company of course) btw.. more unecc. expenses..to lure these people whom are minding their own merry and trying to earn a living.
These corp. big wigs are lying to them and smuggling them in under false pretenses....
I "smh" at your oversight and not wanting to deal with the "Big picture"
So you blatantly are in disagreement that these illegal immigrants are still breaking the law? Not seeing the forest for the trees? So the executives are criminals, too. Prosecute them all. They should have shipped every single illegal out that marched in the million mexican march a year or so back on SR80 in fort myers
Hmm, I see you blatantly ignored my post which supplied a excellent resource as to why some of these illegals are here period. Had you checked the site out you would have learned that US companies actually "Bought plane tickets" stayed at hotels and ate good food ( All paid by the company of course) btw.. more unecc. expenses..to lure these people whom are minding their own merry and trying to earn a living.
These corp. big wigs are lying to them and smuggling them in under false pretenses....
I "smh" at your oversight and not wanting to deal with the "Big picture"
Does it really matter WHY they are here?
They are here illegally, they have broken laws, they are, by the very act of crossing the border illegally, criminals.
If Big Corp is culpable and has broken laws in bringing illegals over the borders, prosecute them as well.
I think the main reason illegal immigrants come to the USA illegally is money. Coyotes get them in for less than the US Government/lawyers, they find job quicklty because they don't expect much and they can send money home. Is that okay? No, but the reality is that it is something the USA does not want to address because too many businesses are benefitting from the situation.
By the way, I came here with my wife from Italy in 1998, all legally. It took 2 years to get the green card and costed us $ 14,000 total between US Gov and attorneys.
5 years after getting the green card we applied for the citizenship and got it.
Expensive process, very long, but I am happy I did it that way; we wanted to become part of this Country, not to sneak in.
I think the main reason illegal immigrants come to the USA illegally is money. Coyotes get them in for less than the US Government/lawyers, they find job quicklty because they don't expect much
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you sir, are VERY wrong... the whole issue is now "unfair treatment of undocumented workers" aka "taking advantage of unskilled illegals that crossed the border illegally and are now demanding higher pay even though they dont pay taxes or contribute much to the local economy, and drain the social assistance provided by the United States government"
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