Do you know any real Pro-lifers? (death, Amish, Obama, speech)
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I always find those that go by the label "Pro-life" confusing and hypocritical.
It seems to me if one is truly pro-life than not only are they against abortion but they would also;
... be against capital punishment
... be in favor of stem-cell research
... be a pacifist and anti-gun
... be against hunting, fishing, and trapping
... be against animal testing that requires death of animal
... be a vegetarian or a vegan
... be environmentally conscious and concerned about climate change.
However in practice, just the opposite seems to be the case. Do you know of anyone who is truly pro-life? I sure don't. Some of the Amish may come close but none of the "lifers" I have ever met.
Pro-lifers never say they are pro-life as an overall philisophy, and very few people (pro-life or pro-choice) have thought deeply enough to make the connections the OP has described. They say that with reference to the abortion debate, they are on the side of preserving the life of the fetus. Nothing else is implied by the facile term.
You are giving the rank and file way too much credit for capacity to draw logical conclusions. Even the majority of the people who frequent this board are too logic-challenged.
Pro-lifers never say they are pro-life as an overall philisophy, and very few people (pro-life or pro-choice) have thought deeply enough to make the connections the OP has described. They say that with reference to the abortion debate, they are on the side of preserving the life of the fetus. Nothing else is implied by the facile term.
You are giving the rank and file way too much credit for capacity to draw logical conclusions. Even the majority of the people who frequent this board are too logic-challenged.
I give everyone the benefit of the doubt and I presume that we all have pondered issues involving life or death. But maybe not.
You may be correct that it is confined to a single issue and not an overall philosophy. It just seemed to me that if one is concerned about preserving life, for religious or whatever reasons, that the "life is precious" belief would be arching over to other issues.
I always find those that go by the label "Pro-life" confusing and hypocritical.
It seems to me if one is truly pro-life than not only are they against abortion but they would also;
... be against capital punishment
... be in favor of stem-cell research
... be a pacifist and anti-gun
... be against hunting, fishing, and trapping
... be against animal testing that requires death of animal
... be a vegetarian or a vegan
... be environmentally conscious and concerned about climate change.
However in practice, just the opposite seems to be the case. Do you know of anyone who is truly pro-life? I sure don't. Some of the Amish may come close but none of the "lifers" I have ever met.
Alternatively, how many animal rights advocates do you know that are pro-life?
... be against capital punishment Being FOR capital punishment is taken - by many - as evidence of how valuable human life is. It is so valuable that if you murder somebody, you forfeit your own life.
... be in favor of stem-cell research I think the fear of most is the questionable practice of "harvesting" stems cells from aborted babies.
... be a pacifist and anti-gun These two things aren't one in the same. Also, sometimes peace is not achieved without the use of force. Even Obama - in his recent speech in Copenhagen - acknowledged that.
Being anti-gun is not connected with being pro-life.
... be against hunting, fishing, and trapping Why is this required to be pro-life? People who hunt, kill cleanly, and eat the kill are not anti-life. They're just changing when and how the animal dies.
... be against animal testing that requires death of animal What kind of animal testing is that?
... be a vegetarian or a vegan Are vegetables not living organisms? How is killing, boiling and eating a vegetable any different than eating an animal?
... be environmentally conscious and concerned about climate change. Though I'm certainly for living as green as possible, I don't see how this is a requisite of being pro-life.
The main flaw here, with so many on the far left, is the elevation of animals to the point of supposedly having MORE value than humans.
The Amish are not vegetarians or vegans. They are not against hunting or fishing. And the certainly are not environmentally-minded.
Please read my original post.
I indicated that I felt the Amish came close. More sothan any pro-lifers I had known or had heard. I never said that they were the true pro-lifers I was inquiring about.
There is a very large faction within the pro-life movement who believe an abortion is justified in the case of rape and/or incest. Suddenly, they stop prioritizing Life, when the paternity of the normal, healthy and faultless fetus is objectionable.
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