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Old 09-26-2010, 10:50 PM
 
Location: playing in the colorful Colorado dirt
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I don't think so. Granted,I don't eat a lot of meat but God help anyone who tries to substitute a veggie sub for my steak and cheese with mushrooms and onions. Oh,and fries!
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Old 09-26-2010, 10:57 PM
 
Location: playing in the colorful Colorado dirt
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Shattering The Meat Myth: Humans Are Natural Vegetarians

Well of course we are!!!! That's why we have canine teeth and incisors, and eyes in the front of our heads, just like the other omnivores.
Without steak, BBC's would just be a bunch of scrawny,cranky people standing around a grill watching zucchini cook.
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Old 09-26-2010, 11:03 PM
 
Location: playing in the colorful Colorado dirt
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See what happens when you have spaghetti marinara for dinner? I meant to type BBQ.
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Old 09-29-2010, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Seeing this thread brought back from the dead makes me want to eat meat even more than ususal... and that's a lot!
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Old 09-29-2010, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Visitation between Wal-Mart & Home Depot
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There is a lot of total ignorance and ridiculous new-wave dogma being tossed about in this old thread. I'm surprised that more people don't know (i) who Kathy Freston is and (ii) that she's a fraud who has apparently elected to ignore that whole "scientific method" thing in favor of "intuitive divination".
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Old 09-29-2010, 09:27 PM
 
Location: NC, USA
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Were Adam and Eve vegetarians in the Garden of Eden or did they go around eating the peaceful animals by their side.... just wondering?

http://img.allposters.com/6/LRG/8/849/X6NY000Z.jpg
Isn't that kinda like wondering if Santa ever ate any of his reindeer that got too old or fat to pull the sleigh. Seems kinda pointless to cite reference from mythological characters.
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Old 09-30-2010, 02:27 AM
 
Location: Interior AK
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There is at least one irrefutable bit of scientific/medical evidence that proves humans are designed to be omnivorous with a balanced amount of animal protein... we can only absorb Vitamin B-12 from animal sources. While several plants contain B-12, it is too tightly bound with cellulose that our stomach and intestines are not able to digest and extract the B-12 in a form our bodies can properly utilize. This is why people who chose a vegan or vegetarian diet must take a supplement. Any doctor or nutritionist will tell you that being a veggie full time (no fish, eggs, or dairy) without B-12 supplementation will lead to deficiency and eventually pernicious anemia.

There is also evidence that we digest and absorb many macro & micro nutrients easier and more completely from animal sources than from plant sources. Cooking meat makes it slightly easier to chew and digest, but overcooking meat makes it harder to digest and less nutritionally dense... "pink" seems to be the perfect balance. All the fat soluble vitamins (A,D, E & K) are better utilized from animal sources... particularly A (retinol) and D3 (cholecalciferol), the plant versions (Beta-carotene, a precursor of retinol) and D2 (ergocalciferol, a precursor of cholecalc) must be converted in our digestive tract and metabolized in order to be useful.
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Old 09-30-2010, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Visitation between Wal-Mart & Home Depot
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There is at least one irrefutable bit of scientific/medical evidence that proves humans are designed to be omnivorous with a balanced amount of animal protein... we can only absorb Vitamin B-12 from animal sources. While several plants contain B-12, it is too tightly bound with cellulose that our stomach and intestines are not able to digest and extract the B-12 in a form our bodies can properly utilize. This is why people who chose a vegan or vegetarian diet must take a supplement. Any doctor or nutritionist will tell you that being a veggie full time (no fish, eggs, or dairy) without B-12 supplementation will lead to deficiency and eventually pernicious anemia.

There is also evidence that we digest and absorb many macro & micro nutrients easier and more completely from animal sources than from plant sources. Cooking meat makes it slightly easier to chew and digest, but overcooking meat makes it harder to digest and less nutritionally dense... "pink" seems to be the perfect balance. All the fat soluble vitamins (A,D, E & K) are better utilized from animal sources... particularly A (retinol) and D3 (cholecalciferol), the plant versions (Beta-carotene, a precursor of retinol) and D2 (ergocalciferol, a precursor of cholecalc) must be converted in our digestive tract and metabolized in order to be useful.
It's anecdotal, but I think it is very telling that long-term success with a strict vegetarian diet (not ovo-lacto) requires some education and study and special measures to satisfy your dietary requirements. If you tried to live with a troop of gorillas or orangutans and only eat what they eat you would eventually starve. You could probably survive with chimps, though (if you could keep up with them).

Another bit of actual evidence: great apes that can be categorized as true frugivores or folivores have a sacculated caecum for the fermentation of cellulosic dietary material. Humans do have a sac protruding from the caecum, but we refer to it as the veriform appendix.

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Old 09-30-2010, 07:30 AM
 
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I look at it this way--------I know many people who eat meat and lived into their 90's.

Do you " vegan folks" live to be 150 or 200 cuz your soooooo durn healthy?
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Old 09-30-2010, 09:59 AM
 
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Basically this is about as turue as humans were never meant to have fire or clothing really.Bascially we are talkig about why mna had a brain and why he progressed and did not reamin static and actually got beyond just a hunt for food to survive.
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