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I will be the wine taster and beauty contest judge. Oh, and I want to be a surfer too.
You get to shovel manure.
My mentally slow cousin LOVES planes, I think he get's to be an air traffic controller.
Where you are confused is that you are equating pay with the dignity of labor as to ones own abilities.
P.S. Supply and demand is incredibly fair and is not a system, it's a PHENOMENON. Even in centrally planned socialist systems or small scale communes it still exists.
That is the very point. One should do what one has talents for and what one wants to do, not what one knows parents, society etc. expect one to do.
If I want to heal people, I will become a doctor, no matter if I earn 50k or 500k a year. And if people were paid better for what are considered menial jobs, more people would be likely to do them. Why do you think there are millions of illegal Hispanics working in the USA? Because they earn little and do the jobs millions of unemployed US citizens don't want to do.
That is the very point. One should do what one has talents for and what one wants to do, not what one knows parents, society etc. expect one to do.
If I want to heal people, I will become a doctor, no matter if I earn 50k or 500k a year. And if people were paid better for what are considered menial jobs, more people would be likely to do them. Why do you think there are millions of illegal Hispanics working in the USA? Because they earn little and do the jobs millions of unemployed US citizens don't want to do.
Valuing and respecting people in general is unrelated to pay or work.
I think you are confusing those two elements.
I think that you've never opened an economics book in your life. As such, you don't realize that what you propose just doesn't work.
That is the very point. One should do what one has talents for and what one wants to do, not what one knows parents, society etc. expect one to do.
If I want to heal people, I will become a doctor, no matter if I earn 50k or 500k a year. And if people were paid better for what are considered menial jobs, more people would be likely to do them. Why do you think there are millions of illegal Hispanics working in the USA? Because they earn little and do the jobs millions of unemployed US citizens don't want to do.
He he he, I haven't but my parents have expierenced communism where everybody were paid equal salaries. And people simply weren't doing their job as they should.
We aren't born equal therefore we have different requirements.
[quote=Neuling;14030097]That is the very point. One should do what one has talents for and what one wants to do, not what one knows parents, society etc. expect one to do.
If I want to heal people, I will become a doctor, no matter if I earn 50k or 500k a year. And if people were paid better for what are considered menial jobs, more people would be likely to do them. Why do you think there are millions of illegal Hispanics working in the USA? Because they earn little and do the jobs millions of unemployed US citizens don't want to do.[/quote
----One should do what one has talents for and what one wants to do ---
You sound like the college professor who convinced a friend to major in art while in college. He was talented and always aspired to be an artist.
With an attic full of paintings, he was lucky to find work on an assembly line.
I guess he couldn't eat his paintings. ( he couldn't sell them either )
That is the very point. One should do what one has talents for and what one wants to do, not what one knows parents, society etc. expect one to do.
If I want to heal people, I will become a doctor, no matter if I earn 50k or 500k a year. And if people were paid better for what are considered menial jobs, more people would be likely to do them. Why do you think there are millions of illegal Hispanics working in the USA? Because they earn little and do the jobs millions of unemployed US citizens don't want to do.[/quote
----One should do what one has talents for and what one wants to do ---
You sound like the college professor who convinced a friend to major in art while in college. He was talented and always aspired to be an artist.
With an attic full of paintings, he was lucky to find work on an assembly line.
I guess he couldn't eat his paintings. ( he couldn't sell them either )
Obviously he was not that good an artist, else his work would have sold
Artists have always had a hard time, because art is a luxury. And few people have the talent to work as a full-time artist. Not everybody is made for everything, I could never be a good bank employee as I am not good with numbers. But then again, I know that and decided accordingly. I do make music as a hobby, because I know I could never go on stage etc as I am very introverted.
In Germany they have the Künstlersozialkasse, a separate social security system for artists only, offering them special conditions.
He he he, I haven't but my parents have expierenced communism where everybody were paid equal salaries. And people simply weren't doing their job as they should.
We aren't born equal therefore we have different requirements.
Where were your parents from? There has never been any country where people really earned the same regardless of their jobs or professions. Actually, there were great differences within society, which is why many people were pissed as that betrayed what they were officially preached. Just think of the dachas in the Soviet Empire, they were mostly a thing for the upper middle and upper classes (surprise surprise, classes did exist). If you were rich, say, a politician, an artist, a scientist, an athlete etc., your dacha was more like a mansion.
Obviously he was not that good an artist, else his work would have sold
Artists have always had a hard time, because art is a luxury. And few people have the talent to work as a full-time artist. Not everybody is made for everything, I could never be a good bank employee as I am not good with numbers. But then again, I know that and decided accordingly. I do make music as a hobby, because I know I could never go on stage etc as I am very introverted.
In Germany they have the Künstlersozialkasse, a separate social security system for artists only, offering them special conditions.
Speaking as a lifelong artist, talent does not equate with market worth. That revolves around promotions, trends, and market climate, just as much as training and talent. I actually worked as an assembly line artist for awhile, and opportunities for professional promotion were only promising if I was willing to bastardize my work.
I'm now training as a healthcare worker and I am finding that even these entry-level positions, that require training and licensing, command meager wages. Why? Because the long term healthcare facilities are based more on profit than care so they keep the staff levels to a minimum despite requiring more and more expertise everyday. Hell, even RNs do as much now as doctors used to do years ago, and then some, and they require unions to fight their cases for better wages and benefits.
When a wage is determined by a corporate board or a bureaucratic element of a larger entity, be it a company or a medical facility, the payroll numbers are always determined by the bigger "profit" picture than the value of the tasks actually fulfilled.
Speaking as a lifelong artist, talent does not equate with market worth. That revolves around promotions, trends, and market climate, just as much as training and talent. I actually worked as an assembly line artist for awhile, and opportunities for professional promotion were only promising if I was willing to bastardize my work.
I'm now training as a healthcare worker and I am finding that even these entry-level positions, that require training and licensing, command meager wages. Why? Because the long term healthcare facilities are based more on profit than care so they keep the staff levels to a minimum despite requiring more and more expertise everyday. Hell, even RNs do as much now as doctors used to do years ago, and then some, and they require unions to fight their cases for better wages and benefits.
When a wage is determined by a corporate board or a bureaucratic element of a larger entity, be it a company or a medical facility, the payroll numbers are always determined by the bigger "profit" picture than the value of the tasks actually fulfilled.
Artists usually are freelancers, so one cannot really speak of a salary as such. In the past some artists had the luck to be employed by kings etc. But there too they had to produce what others liked, not what they themselves felt like creating. That is what I meant by luxury. Nobody really needs art, we can live without it if necessary. But if we are willing to spend money on it, it had better match our tastes.
What you write about the healthcare sector applies to teachers, too. They have a tough and meaningful job, but it is not appreciated enough. In Europe people often have strange motivations, for instance they study to become teachers although they lack the talent, social intelligence and willingness to deal with children. What attracts them is the relative safety a teacher's position offers.
Oftentimes it is also ambitious parents who try to force their kids into jobs their children would not pick themselves.
Actually, they are definitively related. I wish they weren't, but they are, very much so in my opinion.
In that we agree.
What I propose would be that we learn to value people in general moreso than their paycheck. At least that has some foundation in being feasible.
Basically, there is also a bias against shorter people.
A campaign of education and appreciation has a chance of working.
Applying a chainsaw to shorten everyone to a mandate height would also work....in theory....
I sense your frustration, it sucks to be a starving artist. Even many of the greats only found success after passing.
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