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Do you remember these things? Environmentalists are the people working to make this world a healthier place to live.
were. Not anymore (save individuals like Sea Shepherd's captain Watson). Monbiot is no Cousteau, als.
They are absolutely helpless whan it comes to solve today's big environmental problem worldwide : plastic trash (and litter in general). And they have precious little to say on the demographic time bomb, because they are so committed to Political Correctness.
Do you remember these things? Environmentalists are the people working to make this world a healthier place to live.
were. Not anymore (save individuals like Sea Shepherd's captain Watson). Monbiot is no Cousteau, als.
They are absolutely helpless whan it comes to solve today's big environmental problem worldwide : plastic trash (and litter in general). And they have precious little to say on the demographic time bomb, because they are so committed to Political Correctness.
You seem to have missed the news about the work being done to mitigate climate change. Maybe you should read a newspaper.
You seem to have missed the news about the work being done to mitigate climate change. Maybe you should read a newspaper. Oh you mean the costly "world summits" they jet to. Methinks that they contribute more to climate change than mitigate it ( most of the decisions they have taken have not been enforced anyway and won't be, look at China and its coal industry).Our Planet is doomed anyway. But if we have to go down, at least not swimming in an ocean of trash.
You seem to have missed the news about the work being done to mitigate climate change. Maybe you should read a newspaper.
Ecologists were the ones trying to make the world cleaner and better. I was one and have a degree in it. Ecologists brought cleaner air, Cleaner water, and a renewable environment to the world. The goal was to make he world a better place for all.
Environmentalists on the other hand have done little to actually help the environment. Their goal is to tax people into compliance with rules that make sense only to them. Rules that have no regard for the humans of this world. They have managed to either tax you or are trying to tax you for everything you do. They want to control what people do with their land, their work, their animals.
Their goal is to do something with the world that we little people dont have the comprehension to understand (according to them) but we are required to pay for or in many cases go to jail if we dont comply.
Ecologists were the ones trying to make the world cleaner and better. I was one and have a degree in it. Ecologists brought cleaner air, Cleaner water, and a renewable environment to the world. The goal was to make he world a better place for all.
Environmentalists on the other hand have done little to actually help the environment. Their goal is to tax people into compliance with rules that make sense only to them. Rules that have no regard for the humans of this world. They have managed to either tax you or are trying to tax you for everything you do. They want to control what people do with their land, their work, their animals.
Their goal is to do something with the world that we little people dont have the comprehension to understand (according to them) but we are required to pay for or in many cases go to jail if we dont comply.
Interest perspectives and explanations.
Along the Environmentalist end of things I am often somewhat surprised and saddened by the Industry "other" side of things -- where Chemical and Refinery folks counter-study the actions and regulations with their Enviro Engineers -- to optimize and maximize pollution limits, and sometimes even budget known violations in advance as part of processes.
Ecologists were the ones trying to make the world cleaner and better. I was one and have a degree in it. Ecologists brought cleaner air, Cleaner water, and a renewable environment to the world. The goal was to make he world a better place for all.
Environmentalists on the other hand have done little to actually help the environment. Their goal is to tax people into compliance with rules that make sense only to them. Rules that have no regard for the humans of this world. They have managed to either tax you or are trying to tax you for everything you do. They want to control what people do with their land, their work, their animals.
Their goal is to do something with the world that we little people dont have the comprehension to understand (according to them) but we are required to pay for or in many cases go to jail if we dont comply.
Environmentalist / Ecologist is a distinction without a difference, but the Clean Air we enjoy is due to the Cap and Trade policy of pricing environmental compliance into business decisions.
Environmentalist / Ecologist is a distinction without a difference, but the Clean Air we enjoy is due to the Cap and Trade policy of pricing environmental compliance into business decisions.
Boy have you been fooled....
The relatively cleaner air we enjoy is due to the extinction of manufacturing in the USA.
When I first went to school in the early 1970's, the sky in LA was orange. Nasty stuff.
So first we went after cars. In a few short years he sky was clear and the clouds were white. We were happy. Then the powers that be went after Businesses. I got into controls because it paid a lot more than environmental work.
I used to have 1000's of manufacturing customers in the LA area. Everything from cement and glass to forges and foundries to bakeries and other food processing companies.
Today Almost all the manufacturing plants are gone and most of the food processing companies have merged and only operate a few plants in the LA Basin.
Some of the Manufacturing companies became resalers and bought their goods from overseas. But the majority of them were just plain gone along with all the supporting businesses that surrounded them.
There was no cap. There was no trade. There was extinction.
It is incomprehensible to most people just how much business was lost. Forever.
The US manufactures more product today than it did in 1975. Like many people you believe what you see out your back porch is representative of the rest of the world.
We all know that the most blatant examples of air and water pollution have been called to the public's attention, and addressed, for nearly seventy years, and I don't think too many of my fellow conservatives have a problem with that.
And likewise, I don't know of too many conservatives who are calling for a return to a laissez-faire, anarchy-save-a-constable economy; we know the perils of a credit-centered, paycheck-to-paycheck existence. We just want that system moved back toward local control -- so that the abusive few can be identified and restrained.
The problem many of us have with environmentalism is that, as with its cousins in the "natural health", veganism, and similar movements, it deliberately attracts, and often caters directly to, a fanatical minority. If the parts-per-billion measure of a known pollutant or carcinogen, for example, is significantly reduced, it's not long before the people on the fringes are agitating for a parts-per-trillion measure.
And speaking of which, when dealing with such large, or small, figures, whether with technical or economic measures, there comes a point at which the technophobes and touchy-feelies seem to dismiss all scientific discussion; there is for example a difference in the definition of the term "billion" (to the Yanks, its a thousand millions -- to the Brits, a million millions). But that doesn't hold the interest of the devotees of "pop wisdom".
But to return to my original point, the environmental movement was born and nurtured in an era when only a handful of nations could afford to sustain the concerns raised; it has since greatly broadened its focus, but it is about to be confronted by a global economy -- in which not all the players are subjected to the same standards, and the most advanced societies are likely to have to deal with a diminished stream of immigrants to do the jobs no one really wants.
That scenario does not bode well for a movement originally aimed at the most privileged segments of the most successful societies.
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I'm not really sure what your point is but when speaking of climate change and proposed mitigation strategies, the "zealots" seem to be guided by science. There has rarely been a greater scientific consensus than exists about the dangers of anthropogenic climate change. And there has rarely been less scientific support for those who oppose mitigation strategies.
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