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Old 10-10-2014, 07:53 PM
 
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Why would Walmart be against something that they not only support but even USE themselves.
For the same reason Sony devices didn't support MP3 for years subsequently losing a market they practically invented and dominated for years with Walkman's. As already mentioned it's not Walmart but the Waltons that have controlling interest in this company but realistically they are one and the same.

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They figured that it would save them millions, if not billions, in energy costs so they've rolled with it.
At the expense of taxpayers and ratepayers.
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Old 10-10-2014, 08:29 PM
 
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People that really need to read the story, do they? If Walmart is for it, it can't be good.
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Old 10-10-2014, 09:02 PM
 
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People that really need to read the story, do they? If Walmart is for it, it can't be good.
Yes, they do need to read the story, because it isn't about Walmart. The OP just made that up.
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Old 10-10-2014, 09:55 PM
 
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OP......Stop and listen to yourself. You are saying that Walmart and the state is trying to stop roof top solar. Lets look at what the fees do and don't do.

1: Don't Do. They do not charge you for having roof top solar. If you put in the storage facility to hold electricity in the daytime, for use at night when there is no sunlight, there is no FEE. None at all.

2: Do Do. If you put up roof top solar, and instead of putting in your own storage facility as you are too cheap to go all the way with solar power as some families I know here in Montana have done, you have two choices.

A....Go without electricity when the sun is not providing free electricity.

B....Use the power companies facilities, to take your excess power when the sun shines and pay you for it, and provide you back power when the sun is not shining.

It is not your fault if you are too cheap to put in your electric storage system. Taking your power when you have excess, and providing you power when the sun is not shining costs the company money. The power company has 2 choices.

C....Let the other customers, pay for your using the power company facilities to take your excess electricity and provide your electricity when t he sun is not shining (you may even provide more electricity than you take from t he power company). The other customers, do not feel they should be paying for your use of the electricity utility to store your excess power.,

D....As the other customers do not want to pay for your being too cheap to store your own electricity, the power company simply is going to charge you a fee to cover the cost of actually operating the system to take your excess power, and get it back later.

As a solar power roof top owner, you are going to be asked to pay for this cost, or go all the way and pay a lot more to store your excess power, and get it returned to you later.

I don't think that someone putting up solar panels, should expect the other electric users to pay for you being too cheap to put in their own electric storage system, and want the electric company to pay for your electrical storage costs.

And Walmart has nothing to do, with making you pay the costs for your electric storage problems, and is not responsible for you being too cheap to install your own electric storage system.

If you don't know what an electric storage system is, let me explain. Our housekeeper and her family live on top of a small mountain. They have a solar system as their sole power source. They have a room with many batteries, that stores all excess electricity. On cloudy days, and snowy days when it is not making electricity for them, they back up the batteries with a gasoline powered generator.

Why put in such an expensive system? It would have cost them $20,000 more to run in electric lines, than their entire system costs. Their total electrical power including gasoline and periodic batter replacement costs about the same as buying power from the power company. They saved $20,000 going this route.

Quit complaining that you only put in a partial solar power system as you were too cheap to put in the storage facilities and have to pay your share of providing you the storage you need. Don't expect other customers to pay it for you, and get a free ride.

Oldtimer, really - reading is part of being able to participate here. I did not write the article and I asked questions. There were questions designed for get others to participate and that succeeded. Here you come implying and attributing all kinds of things.

Why are you making this a personal issue when it is not? Maybe you can answer that question.
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Old 10-11-2014, 12:45 AM
 
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Oldtimer, really - reading is part of being able to participate here.
I agree. It is critical to understanding. And the article you quoted did NOT say that Walmart was behind this. But you wrote that phony headline to say it did.

Read it again and notice it said that member of the Walton family, who have investments in large scale solar energy were supporters of the fees. It did not say all the members of the Walton family are investors in the solar company. It did not say that Walmart had ANYTHING to do with it.

**** *****, really - reading is part of being able to participate here.
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Old 10-11-2014, 09:07 AM
 
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They have never expressed any interest in the costs of their suppliers though, only the costs to themselves. Why are they now so concerned about the cost of the power companies?
Not true. A couple decades ago they cared deeply about the costs of their suppliers. When Sam Walton died, his brand was butchered and became the piece of **** that it is today.

I should know, since I am a financial analyst and actually did research on the company.
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Old 10-11-2014, 11:02 AM
 
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Not true. A couple decades ago they cared deeply about the costs of their suppliers. When Sam Walton died, his brand was butchered and became the piece of **** that it is today.

I should know, since I am a financial analyst and actually did research on the company.
Can you name the institution you conducted the research for, you know to lend some credibility to what you've stated? I wouldn't ask but you made a claim and used specific experience and a title to support it so how about it?

You claim that Walmart cared about the costs of their suppliers. Exactly how so? Provide some specifics since you made the claim.

Walmart's aggressive pressure tactics with suppliers is legend and goes back decades. That is a fact and has been supported by commonly available documentaries that went over the entire purchasing process that Walmart uses. On record were those at Walmart that cheerfully stated that there was no concern for the problems suppliers might have meeting the demands of Walmart.

That Walmart would demand cut throat price from small suppliers and when those suppliers couldn't meet the demands, Walmart outsourced the product themselves ignoring patents and other IP protections by sheer pressure because of their size and financial influence. Do other companies do this? Surely but we aren't talking about them, we are discussing the topic in the OP.

That Walmart cares about their costs, as in purchasing from supplies in well known. Caring about what their suppliers costs are to do business? Again, if Walmart cared "deeply" about the costs of their suppliers exactly what are you talking about?

Also, exactly what does caring deeply about supplier costs have to do with Walmarts position on regulatory fees for rooftop solar?
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Old 10-11-2014, 12:25 PM
 
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Also, exactly what does caring deeply about supplier costs have to do with Walmarts position on regulatory fees for rooftop solar?
Since you are insisting on documentation from others, how about finally providing some of your own? So far I haven't seen a single thing from you or otherwise that says that Walmart has taken the position you claim.

You seem to have made the mistake of confusing what a few of Sam Walton's heirs have done with what you imagine the corporation their patriarch founded has done. They are not the same.

For comparison, here is Walmart's official position...

Walmart is Working Toward 100% Renewable Energy

Unless you can provide some documentation of your claim, you should really stop saying it.

And since I can prove you don't really ignore everything I say, how about you drop that pretense while you're at it?
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