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Old 02-08-2015, 12:37 PM
 
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The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever - Telegraph
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New data shows that the “vanishing” of polar ice is not the result of runaway global warming.
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When future generations look back on the global-warming scare of the past 30 years, nothing will shock them more than the extent to which the official temperature records – on which the entire panic ultimately rested – were systematically “adjusted” to show the Earth as having warmed much more than the actual data justified.
Two weeks ago, under the headline “How we are being tricked by flawed data on global warming”, I wrote about Paul Homewood, who, on his Notalotofpeopleknowthat blog, had checked the published temperature graphs for three weather stations in Paraguay against the temperatures that had originally been recorded. In each instance, the actual trend of 60 years of data had been dramatically reversed, so that a cooling trend was changed to one that showed a marked warming.
This was only the latest of many examples of a practice long recognised by expert observers around the world – one that raises an ever larger question mark over the entire official surface-temperature record.
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Old 02-08-2015, 12:47 PM
 
Location: DC
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There has been no fiddling with the temperature data. There have been numerous reviews of the quality of data use. All reviews have found the data to be high quality.
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Old 02-08-2015, 01:07 PM
 
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One of the first examples of these “adjustments” was exposed in 2007 by the statistician Steve McIntyre, when he discovered a paper published in 1987 by James Hansen, the scientist (later turned fanatical climate activist) who for many years ran Giss. Hansen’s original graph showed temperatures in the Arctic as having been much higher around 1940 than at any time since. But as Homewood reveals in his blog post, “Temperature adjustments transform Arctic history”, Giss has turned this upside down. Arctic temperatures from that time have been lowered so much that that they are now dwarfed by those of the past 20 years.
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Old 02-08-2015, 03:09 PM
 
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I guess the glaciers that are retreating up here that have been documented with film and physical evidence so clear a caveman could see it are all manipulated as well?

I am 100% sure that the Earth's climate is changing, it always has and probably always will - why and how much we humans are affecting it I am not sure of at all.

Also, I am curious as to how this falls into "green living" - most of us want to live green whether or not we are contributing to climate change or not. We don't like waste and especially wasting finite natural resources. The addage of "What if we created a better world for nothing?" comes to mind.

Now I am not 100% altruistic either, a lot of this green living stuff is also to help me save money too.
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Old 02-08-2015, 04:22 PM
 
Location: The beautiful Rogue Valley, Oregon
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It doesn't actually fall into "Green Living" and is in fact a banned subject here, had the OP bothered to read the TOS.
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Old 02-08-2015, 04:40 PM
 
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While climate change is a fact, it has always been so and the climate has changed since the day the planet existed and long after humans are no longer around.

It seems the reason there is so much fuss about it is because people are so invested in their infrastructure. Okay, so the oceans will rise some. They've done this before of has everyone forgotten that quite a bit of the land masses we have now were at one time under water in large areas? Deserts were oceans but that would seem to be a problem, why, who knows?

So we built major population centers on the coasts. Well, seems humans have done dumber things, like build cities and places close to volcanoes.

In our infinite wisdom, we got caught up in believing that nothing should change more than we allow it, and nature laughed and did anyway.

Sure, human activity has changed things, it is impossible for any animal species to exist and not change things. Naturally, there are those that say the changes happen so fast because of what we've done to the planet and while that is true, so what?

Do we figure out ways to slow down our impact? Nope, we instead figure out nifty ways to spread as much BS round as possible, in the form of nonsense like carbon credits, tax credits and go so far as to create companies than sell stock to the public so that very expensive things can be sold to people who could really careless pass the status and contributions to their bottom line on tax day.

Then come the scientists who can't for the life of them figure a whole lot out because they are too busy refining their estimates, recalculating projections on a global scale and rushing to get that next grant request in. Forget even that if one says something a few don't agree with, careers are suddenly disposed of and parentage called into question.

Ever see one scientists disagree with another? Krap, you would have thought ISIS invaded Florida, its all out war. In the end who wins, the one that was right or the one that was popular? Heck, it was recently reported that some Fox that hadn't been seen in about a hundred years and was more or less declared extinct showed on on some game camera. Think there is another one or did that one just manage to stay alive for the last 100 years looking like a spritely young example? Oops.

The only thing we know for sure is that there is more unknown than known. The other thing is that the longer we keep thinking to no greater depth than the pitiful short time humans have recorded temperatures we're headed down the wrong road.

As long as we sit around trying to figure out if some electric car is faster than one using gasoline, we're doomed anyway.

We're worried about rising oceans and receding glaciers and really think very little about advancing social problems that affect the entire globe. Think about global warming when you wake up to find the town you live in smoldering because someone figured out that if you really want to warm things up in a hurry, use a nuke.

That day is much closer to reality than some date scientists have come up that says your backyard will be a hot tub in winter.
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Old 02-08-2015, 04:42 PM
 
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It doesn't actually fall into "Green Living" and is in fact a banned subject here, had the OP bothered to read the TOS.
Heads up, if everyone followed the TOS in this forum, the only thing anyone could talk about would be kitchen cookies and the price of manure.

The TOS ban almost everything and if applied would require the removal of 99% of the threads and posts here (I bet).

Really.
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Old 02-09-2015, 10:31 AM
 
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It all comes down to definitions. When is something a revision vs a lie or fabrication?

There is always the favorite "...than previously believed..." that covers nearly every mistake, exaggeration, misinformation, blatant lie and so on.

No one ever asks just who was it that believed it and then went out and got so many more to believe it too?
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Old 02-10-2015, 02:35 PM
 
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While climate change is a fact, it has always been so and the climate has changed since the day the planet existed and long after humans are no longer around.

It seems the reason there is so much fuss about it is because people are so invested in their infrastructure. Okay, so the oceans will rise some. They've done this before of has everyone forgotten that quite a bit of the land masses we have now were at one time under water in large areas? Deserts were oceans but that would seem to be a problem, why, who knows?

So we built major population centers on the coasts. Well, seems humans have done dumber things, like build cities and places close to volcanoes.

In our infinite wisdom, we got caught up in believing that nothing should change more than we allow it, and nature laughed and did anyway.

Sure, human activity has changed things, it is impossible for any animal species to exist and not change things. Naturally, there are those that say the changes happen so fast because of what we've done to the planet and while that is true, so what?

Do we figure out ways to slow down our impact? Nope, we instead figure out nifty ways to spread as much BS round as possible, in the form of nonsense like carbon credits, tax credits and go so far as to create companies than sell stock to the public so that very expensive things can be sold to people who could really careless pass the status and contributions to their bottom line on tax day.

Then come the scientists who can't for the life of them figure a whole lot out because they are too busy refining their estimates, recalculating projections on a global scale and rushing to get that next grant request in. Forget even that if one says something a few don't agree with, careers are suddenly disposed of and parentage called into question.

Ever see one scientists disagree with another? Krap, you would have thought ISIS invaded Florida, its all out war. In the end who wins, the one that was right or the one that was popular? Heck, it was recently reported that some Fox that hadn't been seen in about a hundred years and was more or less declared extinct showed on on some game camera. Think there is another one or did that one just manage to stay alive for the last 100 years looking like a spritely young example? Oops.

The only thing we know for sure is that there is more unknown than known. The other thing is that the longer we keep thinking to no greater depth than the pitiful short time humans have recorded temperatures we're headed down the wrong road.

As long as we sit around trying to figure out if some electric car is faster than one using gasoline, we're doomed anyway.

We're worried about rising oceans and receding glaciers and really think very little about advancing social problems that affect the entire globe. Think about global warming when you wake up to find the town you live in smoldering because someone figured out that if you really want to warm things up in a hurry, use a nuke.

That day is much closer to reality than some date scientists have come up that says your backyard will be a hot tub in winter.
I agree with you on this Mack Knife... And species tend to come and go (become extinct) seemed to be the natural order of things BEFORE mankind was around. Some due to evolution, some due to failing to evolve, and others because another species eradicated them.
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