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Old 02-25-2015, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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anecdotally I heard of a family that drank raw milk and they all got an incurable disease. no thanks for me.
I heard a story one time, about a guy that did this thing, and then he did this other thing, and then he died.

I would never want to do that thing.
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Old 02-25-2015, 02:20 PM
 
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Most of us have never tasted 'real' milk. And that white stuff in the stores is so processed it doesn't even resemble the real thing. Ever wonder why cheeses and other milk products taste so much better in other countries? They are made with milk that isn't processed.

If drinking the stuff was that bad it would have wiped us out hundreds of years ago. And most countries don't process dairy as much as we do and they are still breathing too.
Some of us older folks know what milk used to taste like. There's a huge difference in processed and non-processed foods. I bought a small amount of brie recently. It's from France and not contaminated by America's processing. A few months ago, I made the mistake of asking someone who worked in the cheese dept. of a store. The cheese was from the States. I tried a small bit and returned it to the store - it was garbage.

Ultimately, until a law is passed that prevents us from buying organics and raw foods it is up to us as to what risks we're willing to take to attempt to move away from all the commercially-produced junk. If you don't want to drink raw milk or give it to your kids, that's up to you. If I want to do the same, leave me alone. I'm neither an idiot nor stupid I also don't run around in circles in fear because FEAR is a weapon used really successfully in so many ways in America.
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Old 02-25-2015, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Most of us have never tasted 'real' milk. And that white stuff in the stores is so processed it doesn't even resemble the real thing. Ever wonder why cheeses and other milk products taste so much better in other countries? They are made with milk that isn't processed.

If drinking the stuff was that bad it would have wiped us out hundreds of years ago. And most countries don't process dairy as much as we do and they are still breathing too.
What makes you think other countries do not have outbreaks of food borne illnesses? They do.

Outbreak of Salmonella enterica serotype Montevideo infections in F... - PubMed - NCBI

Large outbreak of Salmonella enterica serotype paratyphi B infectio... - PubMed - NCBI

Victoria launches crackdown on sale of 'raw' unpasteurised milk | Australia news | The Guardian

Pasteurization involves heating milk to a specified temperature for a very short time and rapidly cooling it. Hardly "so processed it doesn't resemble the real thing." It's the same milk it was before it was pasteurized. It just has any illness causing bacteria killed.

See how a single cow with an infection in one quadrant of an udder infected milk with Listeria. The cow was not sick.

A case of bovine raw milk contamination with Listeria monocytogenes. - PubMed - NCBI

And how bacteria can potentially colonize milking equipment:

Biofilm in milking equipment on a dairy farm as a potential source ... - PubMed - NCBI

Molecular ecology of Listeria monocytogenes: evidence for a reservo... - PubMed - NCBI

Increased in vitro adherence and on-farm persistence of predominant... - PubMed - NCBI

Cheese? You think that making cheese does not involve a lot of "processing"?
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Old 02-25-2015, 02:57 PM
 
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Your chances of getting sick from drinking raw milk is about 1 in 6 million. Aren't there lottery odds that are less than this? And you know your odds of winning the lottery!
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Old 02-25-2015, 03:12 PM
 
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Your chances of getting sick from drinking raw milk is about 1 in 6 million. Aren't there lottery odds that are less than this? And you know your odds of winning the lottery!
Where on earth did you get this number from?

I'll give you another number that is based on a study done by the Minnesota Department of Health. They found that 1 out of every 6 people who drinks raw milk gets sick. Oftentimes, it doesn't turn out to be a very serious illness, but the point is that it can be very serious or even fatal.

Kind of like playing Russian Roulette with a six chamber gun.

Raw Milk: 1 in 6 Who Drink It Gets Sick
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Old 02-25-2015, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Your chances of getting sick from drinking raw milk is about 1 in 6 million. Aren't there lottery odds that are less than this? And you know your odds of winning the lottery!

More like 1 in 6.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/817694

Not all episodes of illness get reported and counted, particularly if they do not result in hospitalization.

@ Mark: you beat me to it!
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Old 02-25-2015, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Harbor Springs, Michigan
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I have a herd-share and so each week get a gallon of raw milk. The cows are free range, grass fed, antibiotic and hormone free animals and very very healthy.

I've never got sick from this milk, in fact I was sick all the time before I started getting my milk this way. The milk makes the best butter, ice cream and yoghurt. If for some reason I can't get raw milk I buy organic from a local reliable source.
Wayy too many hormones and chemicals in regular milk to even try it again.
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Old 02-25-2015, 04:51 PM
 
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People drank raw milk for 1000's of years before pasteurization, etc. It's all about money...
What was the average lifespan 1000's of years ago. It certainly was not where it is today.

I agree with the co-op method of getting raw milk. It shouldn't be available in grocery stores or in restaurants.

If you are an adult and want to drink "raw milk", go for it. Just like I can go to the store, buy a steak and eat it raw if I want.

Personally, I avoid milk. I do occasionally cook with it though.... I think there are far more problems in society other than a couple of people getting together and drinking raw milk.
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Old 02-25-2015, 04:54 PM
 
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Default Sweetners may be added to milk, too, and manufacturers will probably not have to label it.

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I have a herd-share and so each week get a gallon of raw milk. The cows are free range, grass fed, antibiotic and hormone free animals and very very healthy.

I've never got sick from this milk, in fact I was sick all the time before I started getting my milk this way. The milk makes the best butter, ice cream and yoghurt. If for some reason I can't get raw milk I buy organic from a local reliable source.
Wayy too many hormones and chemicals in regular milk to even try it again.
Jan, I'm sure you know this but lets let others know what's going on, too.


snopes.com: Aspartame in Milk

I like the excerpt below. It's from: Artificial Sweeteners in Milk? | The Dr. Oz Show

About a third of the 10,000 have been reviewed by an industry-funded panel; most of the rest have been "self-affirmed" as safe by manufacturers. The reality is that most consumers are flying blind when it comes to what’s in processed foods.

The reference above refers to processed food but it does extend to milk in the article. When I first heard about the possibility of the addition, it was to milk. Processed food is a jumble of junk.
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Old 02-25-2015, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Jan, I'm sure you know this but lets let others know what's going on, too.


snopes.com: Aspartame in Milk

I like the excerpt below. It's from: Artificial Sweeteners in Milk? | The Dr. Oz Show

About a third of the 10,000 have been reviewed by an industry-funded panel; most of the rest have been "self-affirmed" as safe by manufacturers. The reality is that most consumers are flying blind when it comes to what’s in processed foods.

The reference above refers to processed food but it does extend to milk in the article. When I first heard about the possibility of the addition, it was to milk. Processed food is a jumble of junk.
The issue is not adding artificial sweeteners, it is the requirement to label them low or reduced calorie. Any product containing aspartame must be labeled with a warning that it is there for people with PKU.

There will be no reason to add sweeteners to plain milk products. Chocolate flavored milk, possibly. Do not want aspartame? Read the label.
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