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Climate change is real. Comparing summers and winters in Montana when I was a kid (70 years ago) and now, it is obvious!
However, there are those (I am one of them) who are not so sure about "man-caused" climate change. There are those (again, I am one of them) who are not so sure that mankind can do anything to change what is happening.
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There are those (once again, I am one of them) who wonder why nothing is being done to mitigate the "problems" that climate change will (so they say) cause!
Of course the two most effective environmental protection laws in the history of this nation were both signed into law by a Republican president, e.g. the National Environmental Policy Act and the Endangered Species Act.
I did not know that . That was a long time ago though. Could that happen again today ? Could the Republicans still care that much anymore?
No leader of any country can make its populace behave in a manner contrary to its conscience. Effective and lasting change can only be brought about by the will of the people, for better or worse. If you want to improve your present circumstance/environment, do it; it's as simple as that.
Mr. Trump was only elected the leader of a government. He does not control the individual actions and beliefs of people. Recycling, planting trees, ending world hunger, picking up litter, and making the world a better place are personal choices that will always be yours. Love and responsible loving action cannot be legislated.
We can still take care of the planet and each other *without* the permisssion of Mr. Trump (or anyone else).
Blessings,
Mahrie.
Last edited by Mahrie; 11-09-2016 at 03:36 PM..
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Putting the word republicans followed by clean just doesn't congeal.
So long as "we" the "people continue pushing for change...change is what we'll get. Not all change is for the good of the people.
Our environment will falter...as the president elect chooses bombing as the new environment clean up.
Say good bye to green grass...unless it's the smoking kind....
Honestly? I think we are going to have to stop sitting behind our computers. Go out and physically block the pollution, reroute the pollution, color the pollution a bright pink so it cannot be ignored. How about gathering up water from coal ash ponds, bottling it, and delivering it to the houses of Republicans?
And I think we need to start NOW, grooming more appropriate candidates for the seats we want to take. I mean, really WORK at setting up a person for success. We know how to market a product, but for some reason can't seem to apply that directly to candidates.
We have 4 years to find (or create) a viable presidential candidate. No WAY Trump will get reelected. He's going to be exhausted by trying to juggle all his BS. I don't think Clinton will run again.
Yes, now that thre Republicans have won, they can implement their master plan of destroying all of the environment exept the parts useful to them that they're using right now. Luckily, they have their hidden space fortresses they can use when the Earth is a rotting cesspool.
Come on, seriously? People really believe that only Liberals care about the planet and can save it? It's not that Republicans think the environment needs to be killed off, they just believe that the government is not the right tool to protect it. Government, as shown clearly over the past several years, is stupid.
It's got to be different in each state...sure some Republicans are environmentalists. But lets look at the record of government in a state like NC, where 1) the legislature sold out to fracking, and 2) passed a law that made it illegal to disclose the chemicals that fracking leaves in its wake, And 3) the governor (who used to work for Duke Energy) gave Duke Energy no particular penalties for their pollution via coal ash ponds, and ordered someone in a high state position to LIE and say the water in the area was safe to drink.
Pretty clear that in this state, the interests of businesses take precedence over environmental care.
I can't explain NY, where there is also fracking and is largely a state of Democrats
I think many of us who voted for Trump are what you might call derogatorily 'climate deniers' (just because we don't immediately think humans are to blame every time it snows or blows or heats up or a hurricane or earthquake happen, etc. - and we don't think that humans have much, if any, power to change climates in the way you believe they can and should be changed - we believe we should adapt to nature's cycles).
That said though I also know that most of us are NOT fond of pollution - not the same thing at all (as your full definition of 'climate change') and it is unfair of you to just lump everything together - and in doing so be able to scream at us all day and night about how rotten we are - which means of course we don't want to go out to play with you even if you are playing a game we like. You created the above problem through your finger pointing and refusing to listen to us at all.
So let's all take a step or two back, please. Segregate out the pollution stuff from the rest of the 'climate change' stuff. We all want to breathe easier and not have to wipe acid rain off our glasses. We all want not to be smothered in garbage and have nuclear waste in our backyards. You are self defeating if you won't get off your high horses and work with us on the things that we ALL think are important .. first.
I would not be surprised though if you persist with your 'them against us' attitude when you don't get your way - tantrums are not that effective though. Eventually when we (the people who have been actually quite patient with you up till now) begin to get more than a little annoyed at your childish behaviour which is hurting us all, it is all going to backfire on you. Think about it all and get back to us. This IS in your interests as much as ours.
Many of us have been concerned about and/or working on pollution issues longer than many of you have been alive and yet you would accuse us of destroying your aims in that regard? Maybe we would approach the problems/solutions differently but two heads are usually much better than one and compromise often works if people listen to each other and respect each other. Just don't tell me I have to pay a carbon tax to the likes of people like Algore who have duped the heck out of you and with their actions like to make a mockery of everything they say they stand for.
I think many of us who voted for Trump are what you might call derogatorily 'climate deniers' (just because we don't immediately think humans are to blame every time it snows or blows or heats up or a hurricane or earthquake happen, etc. - and we don't think that humans have much, if any, power to change climates in the way you believe they can and should be changed - we believe we should adapt to nature's cycles).
That said though I also know that most of us are NOT fond of pollution - not the same thing at all (as your full definition of 'climate change') and it is unfair of you to just lump everything together - and in doing so be able to scream at us all day and night about how rotten we are - which means of course we don't want to go out to play with you even if you are playing a game we like. You created the above problem through your finger pointing and refusing to listen to us at all.
So let's all take a step or two back, please. Segregate out the pollution stuff from the rest of the 'climate change' stuff. We all want to breathe easier and not have to wipe acid rain off our glasses. We all want not to be smothered in garbage and have nuclear waste in our backyards. You are self defeating if you won't get off your high horses and work with us on the things that we ALL think are important .. first.
I would not be surprised though if you persist with your 'them against us' attitude when you don't get your way - tantrums are not that effective though. Eventually when we (the people who have been actually quite patient with you up till now) begin to get more than a little annoyed at your childish behaviour which is hurting us all, it is all going to backfire on you. Think about it all and get back to us. This IS in your interests as much as ours.
Many of us have been working on pollution issues longer than many of you have been alive and yet you would accuse us of destroying your aims in that regard? Maybe we would approach the problems/solutions differently but two heads are usually much better than one and compromise often works if people listen to each other and respect each other. Just don't tell me I have to pay a carbon tax to the likes of people like Algore who have duped the heck out of you and with their actions like to make a mockery of everything they say they stand for.
There are members of the Republican party that accept the science of climate change and are ready for the party to come to acceptance:
[url=http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/254021-11-republicans-seek-to-fight-climate-change]11 Republicans vow to fight climate change | TheHill[/url]
And finally this poor chap whom I've heard in a few documentaries. His acceptance of climate change pretty much was the nail in the coffin of his political career...
The list of Republicans fighting climate change will grow as the dangers materialize. Each of them have my admiration and if one ends up on my ballot ever, they could also have my vote.
As for the person who thinks the EPA should be dismantled, pollution knows no boundaries. One of the reasons the EPA exists is because if one state decides to pollute there section of a river that flows into another state those people have no recourse. Federal protection of resources we all rely on make sense.
States can file suit in federal court to recover damages.
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Originally Posted by flyingsaucermom
The list of Republicans fighting climate change will grow as the dangers materialize.
There are no dangers that didn't already exist absent mankind.
So far the ice cores can only provide us a glimpse into the Eemian warm period. But we can already tell that Eemian climate was significantly warmer than the climate of the current Holocene interglacial - probably about 5°C warmer.
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