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Old 06-19-2010, 01:57 PM
 
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Jones Act: Maritime politics strain Gulf oil spill cleanup

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Old 06-19-2010, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Lethbridge, AB
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They should waive the act in this particular instance. Frankly, I can't believe there's resistance to waiving it. It doesn't matter who's boats are down there cleaning things up, so long as somebody's doing it. While they bicker and argue in washington, the mess just gets bigger.
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Old 06-19-2010, 11:05 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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Because of national arrogance... the oil continues to spread. I wonder if we'll (referring to the ruling class) still be so arrogant after the entire southern and south eastern coast of the US is destroyed?
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Old 06-20-2010, 11:04 AM
 
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Like one of his zars said "never let a good desaster go to waste " !

The bigger the desaster the more power they can grab . The more money for ' Crap and Traider ' !

Why did they drill in 5000 feet of water ? Because the fools wouldn't let them drill in 200 to 600 feet of water where the accident could have been detained by now ! Thanks EPA and the insane so called gren lobby .
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Old 06-20-2010, 12:36 PM
 
Location: The beautiful Rogue Valley, Oregon
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Why did they drill in 5000 feet of water ? Because the fools wouldn't let them drill in 200 to 600 feet of water where the accident could have been detained by now ! Thanks EPA and the insane so called gren lobby .
Nonsense. There are something like 150 rigs in the GOM drilling at depths less than 500'. The reason they are out there in 5,000' of water (and going down 13,000' below the ocean floor) is that is where the larger oil reserves are left. The easy-to-get to stuff in the GOM is already tapped.

There are certainly oil fields off the coast of Florida and California that those two states have put off-limits because of environmental concerns - for both of them the potential $$$$ in beach tourism far outweighs the oil royalties they might get.
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Old 06-20-2010, 01:44 PM
 
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Nonsense. There are something like 150 rigs in the GOM drilling at depths less than 500'. The reason they are out there in 5,000' of water (and going down 13,000' below the ocean floor) is that is where the larger oil reserves are left. The easy-to-get to stuff in the GOM is already tapped.

There are certainly oil fields off the coast of Florida and California that those two states have put off-limits because of environmental concerns - for both of them the potential $$$$ in beach tourism far outweighs the oil royalties they might get.

In case you didn't notice, you just contradicted yourself and agreed with my' nonsense '!

Drilling close to shore would have been much safer and less damage than this . Also BP was forced to drill where they allowed them to . BP is quilty along with the rest of us .

What caused this was the EPA and the lobbies for dems and repubs,

Now we have to worry about the cooling of the weapons grade plant on the coast of florida . And the other nuclear energy plants .
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Old 06-20-2010, 02:27 PM
 
Location: The beautiful Rogue Valley, Oregon
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In case you didn't notice, you just contradicted yourself and agreed with my' nonsense '!
Hardly. What I said is that there ARE shallow-water platforms in much of the Gulf, but that new projects are all deep water because that's where most of the oil IS. It's not a conspiracy, it's not the evil government or the EPA or whatever the bogey-man of choice is forcing the oil companies off-shore. Most of the near-shore large fields in the Gulf are already done or still being drilled.

There were a bunch of near-shore oil wells drilled in shallow water in Florida in the 40s - almost all of them were dry or very low-production. During the most recent oil price spike there was talk of opening them back up for further exploration, but none of the majors bit (most likely because of the previous dry wells). Wells drilled off the coast of Florida would also be deep-water, but so far the state of Florida has blocked them.

In coastal California the estimates there vary wildly in how much recoverable oil there is - most estimates are that the available oil off California is equal to about 17 months of US demand - which the state of California has chosen to lock up, particularly after the oil rig blow-out off of Santa Barbara in the 60s. The shelf is very narrow in California and even near-shore projects are below the "shallow water" cut off of 500'.
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Old 06-20-2010, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Missouri
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This is another reason why these unions are screwing everything up
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Old 06-21-2010, 10:49 PM
 
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it turns out the story was FALSE. the jones act does not apply to the oil cleanup efforts outside the state line (3 miles) and foreign flagged vessels were involved from the start. inside the state lines waivers are being issued. The issue was that many foreign vessels were contracted and didn't ask for a waiver until they arrived. Some thought BP did it, others just waited until they were told where they would work and if a waiver was needed. The USCG and OMSI have issued waivers in an expidited manner, but since they are so close to US land, Homeland Security still needed to clear the vessel and crew. I'm sure nobody would want some terrorist entering US waters or have access to our land under the guise of oil cleanup, you would have a fit if that happened. But the complaint of the jones act hampering cleanup turned out to be false.
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