Will no single use plastics return us to.....Cross Pen Sets?

[guidoLaMoto]

Originally Posted by Zoisite

Interesting website ^ thanks for posting that. I've added that to my Favourites list for future references.

Here's what they have to say about CO2: https://ourworldindata.org/co2-and-o...-gas-emissions

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Or you can believe this: Note that co2 levels started rising a century before the Industrial Revolution started. Human fossil fuel use has shown log growth since 1850, but doesn't really seem to have affected the log growth in co2 levels that started around 1750.



BTW- all that stuff about "the temp of the Earth would only be xx-deg without GHG" is a guess based on theory. That's why there's can be an argument here-- there's no way to actually calculate the effect of GHGs. It's all guess work...The reasonable workers feel that the effect of co2 on temps is so small that it can be ignored at this point. It's effect is constant for each doubling of concentration--so, if going from 100ppm to 200 ppm added 1 degC, then going from 200-400 ppm would add another 1deg, but you'd have to go all the way to 800ppm to get another 1 deg. rise in temps. Any warming we've seen since 1850 is probably mostly due to factors other than co2.


The benefits of higher co2 (like "air fertilization") far outweigh any deficits.

[Zoisite]

Originally Posted by guidoLaMoto

....... What does one do to make a very rare event even more rare?

Don't let it happen at all and then it isn't even a rare event, it is a non-existent event.

The point being, there should not be one single miniscule bit of plastic in the oceans, it should have been a non-existent event. There are no excuses for it, not even apathy is an excuse. Nobody can say that they didn't understand that they were doing something wrong - everybody knows it is wrong.

Quibbling and squabbling about whatever amount of it has been disposed of in the oceans to date is just a way of trying to divert attention away from the fact that it has happened at all and continues to happen.

Face up to it honestly and without attempted equivocation and prevarication. Plastic is there in the oceans, and it is a very, very, very bad thing that it is there in whatever amount it is. We are all responsible for that and must be responsible for doing things to prevent it from continuing to happen and to do what we can to get it out of the oceans.


Of all the pollutions that humans have done to the earth, dumping plastic into the oceans is the most disgusting of them all.

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[guidoLaMoto]

Originally Posted by Zoisite

Don't let it happen at all and then it isn't even a rare event, it is a non-existent event.


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You're smarter than that. That's magical thinking. You must concede that plastics have their benefits-- look at al the modern medical devices that simply could not exist If it were not for plastic (syringes, IV tubing required for transfusions, etc etc. I'm not even talking about expensive machinery.


If we must have at least some plastic, then, as they say, Manure Occureth. Accidents will happen.


I agree it's a shame plastic ends up in the ocean. Luckily, no real damage seems to have occurred at this level of misuse.


But your outrage is misguided. Because almost all ocean going plastic has been traced to dumping garbage irresponsibly in Africa & Asia, outlawing or even reducing plastic use in the US or Europe will have no effect on the problem....Illogical solution to a meaningless problem.