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Trying to, rightfully so, live the highest quality of life possible, which itself consumes a large number of resources and emits a lot of pollution.
Focus should be on decreasing the population.
But if we do that, where will the next generation come from, to contribute to the Social Security fund? MORE people. We need MORE young people to support the retirees! Why do you think Germany, and the rest of Europe, let in all those Near-Eastern refugees? Advanced countries are scouring the world for more able-bodied adults to replace their own dwindling populations with, after generations of "family planning" has resulted in low population growth numbers.
There is more you can do. You have not decreased the population like you required.
I guess I expected a but more of a debate rather than such a simple minded statement?
Nothing implies people should go kill themselves. Reduce the population through not suicides and murders, but by reducing the number of people born. Eventually the population will stabilize, then start to decrease.
Most experts say the carrying capacity of the planet is 12-14 Billion (and we can easily produce enough food for 20B) At 8B presently, we're only 2/3rds of the way to "just right." At the carrying capacity, things are stable-- birth rate equals death rate.
That's not "a crisis" but rather the way most populations exist in Nature--populations at the carrying capacity where there's maximum competition for and maximally efficient use of resources.
"Oh, why can't we ______(fill in the blank-- end war, get rid of guns, stop using oil, whatever)?--That's juvenile thought. We're supposed to stop using magical thinking around the age of six.
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I guess I expected a but more of a debate rather than such a simple minded statement?
Nothing implies people should go kill themselves. Reduce the population through not suicides and murders, but by reducing the number of people born. Eventually the population will stabilize, then start to decrease.
Do some reading. Start with Malthus. We expected more of posters as well. So far we are disappointed.
Most experts say the carrying capacity of the planet is 12-14 Billion (and we can easily produce enough food for 20B) At 8B presently, we're only 2/3rds of the way to "just right." At the carrying capacity, things are stable-- birth rate equals death rate.
That's not "a crisis" but rather the way most populations exist in Nature--populations at the carrying capacity where there's maximum competition for and maximally efficient use of resources.
"Oh, why can't we ______(fill in the blank-- end war, get rid of guns, stop using oil, whatever)?--That's juvenile thought. We're supposed to stop using magical thinking around the age of six.
Yea, "carrying capacity" in a utilitarian sense, providing the basics so a person does not die of starvation.
I am talking quality of life, specifically the "western standard" or "the US standard".
I do not believe the planet can support 12-14 billion people with such standards of living, it cannot even support 8 billion, not without devastating consequences to the planet, which us alive will not be impacted, but those down the road. The consequences to the planet have been not good so far, and a good portion of the world does not even live in the typical western standard society, but they are all striving to get there.
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