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Old 04-27-2022, 07:24 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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The map is a little deceptive. It includes hydroelectric, which is why the NW is dark green, and CA looks pretty good, too. But as the climate in the West gets drier, that energy source is going to dry up, literally. Then what? What are those states doing, to develop sources of energy to replace hydroelectric?
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Old 04-27-2022, 03:07 PM
 
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The map is a little deceptive. It includes hydroelectric, which is why the NW is dark green, and CA looks pretty good, too. But as the climate in the West gets drier, that energy source is going to dry up, literally. Then what? What are those states doing, to develop sources of energy to replace hydroelectric?
California is installing solar power above the agri irrigation canals (dry or otherwise).
Canada is "awash" in water. They can pump it south.
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Old 04-27-2022, 03:10 PM
 
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...but no raptors....We won't mention that the "2 billion" figure is as gross lie.....If everyone in the country owned an outdoor cat (350 million), each of them would have to kill 6 birds/yr to reach 2 bill...I have 4 barn cats who like to stalk around my dozen shepard crook bird feeders which are visited 100s of times per day, every day of the year...Maybe they kill 3 birds a yr among them...and thatjust serves to thin the herd of bad genes.

More importantly-- all technologies have their risks and benefits....Solar and wind will never be more than solutions to a small niche of power problems. Costs, lack of raw materials and habitiat destruction and unreliability will limit their use.

Power usage is a parametric of standard of living...To limit power usage is to reduce that standard of living. Is that what our goal should be? Are we justified to tell the develpong nations that they can't develop anymore. Late to the party? Too bad?

This whole argument is predicated on the false notion that fossil fuels are bad...No proof of that.-- The contribution of burning fosil fuel is negligible in the tital carbon cycle...Increasing co2 at this poiint (416ppm) contibutes minimally to additional warming, and additinal warming is good (who retires and moves north?) at any rate.

Fossil fuels are a finite resource and will become depleted on a centuries long time scale. Plenty of time to make a wise transtion, not a hasty, poorly thought out change mandated by politicians with their personal power-grabbing agenda forcing technologes on us that create more problems than they solve.
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Old 04-28-2022, 08:20 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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California is installing solar power above the agri irrigation canals (dry or otherwise).
Canada is "awash" in water. They can pump it south.
I wouldn't count on that, they have some drought conditions too, there is no pipeline, and there is that minor problem of who owns that water.


https://agriculture.canada.ca/en/agr...rought-monitor
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Old 04-28-2022, 12:11 PM
 
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I wouldn't count on that, they have some drought conditions too, there is no pipeline, and there is that minor problem of who owns that water.


https://agriculture.canada.ca/en/agr...rought-monitor
Canada owns the water and they would charge for it just like oil. Less than 11% of Canadian land is privately owned. The remainder is split between the Feds and the Provinces.
Canada has less than 0.5% of the global population but its rivers account for almost 10% of global freshwater.
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Old 04-28-2022, 01:12 PM
 
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The Electricity Markets & Policy group at Berkeley National Lab has a Twitter Thread on Renewable projects in the pipeline. They amount to more than all existing non-renewable generating capacity. They won't all be built, and that fact will likely encourage others to continue adding to the pipeline.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1519433458606563329
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Old 04-29-2022, 07:12 PM
 
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The US generated 18% of its electricity from wind & solar in March.

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Last month, the US generated 18% of its electricity from wind and solar (59 TWh) for the first time. That beat the previous record set in March 2021 (53 TWh), according to new data from global energy think tank Ember......

........In 2015, the US generated just 5.7% of its electricity from wind and solar (229.8 TWh). By 2021, it had more than doubled that, reaching 13% of its electricity from wind and solar (543.5 TWh).......

......The trend reflects the global acceleration toward wind and solar energy, which have doubled since 2015 to deliver a record 10% of global electricity in 2021, according to Ember’s “Global Electricity Review.”

Wind and solar were the fastest-growing forms of electricity worldwide for the 17th year in a row in 2021 and are projected to be the backbone of the future electricity system.

Many European countries already produced more than 25% of their electricity from wind and solar in 2021, including Germany, Spain, and the UK, which is helping to rapidly reduce their reliance on imported fossil fuels from Russia and elsewhere.

The International Energy Agency states that in order to reach net zero, wind and solar need to reach 20% of global electricity by 2025 and 70% by 2050.

Ember’s COO, Phil MacDonald, said:

Wind and solar are breaking records around the world. The process that will reshape the existing energy system has begun. Wind and solar provide a solution to the ‘trilemma’ of achieving a sustainable, affordable, and secure energy supply. This decade they need to be deployed at lightning speed.
Full report, lots of charts & graphs.
https://ember-climate.org/insights/r...y-review-2022/
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Old 05-02-2022, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Canada owns the water and they would charge for it just like oil. Less than 11% of Canadian land is privately owned. The remainder is split between the Feds and the Provinces.
Canada has less than 0.5% of the global population but its rivers account for almost 10% of global freshwater.
I don't know where you got your information from about the rivers in Canada accounting for 10% of global freshwater but it isn't true. I think you need to do some more indepth research about the current facts.

You want to know where that 10% of global freshwater is in Canada? It isn't in the rivers or lakes and it isn't in the Arctic tundra which is just a desert of scraped down rock and crushed gravel. The water is in the saturated peat sponge called muskeg that covers more than half to two-thirds of Canada. And the muskeg is not easily accessible by any means except in the 6 months of winter when the saturated sponge is completely frozen solid and that's including frozen through the 15 feet of frozen ground to the solid rock beneath the muskeg so it's safe to use in winter as ice roads. When the muskeg thaws in late spring it reverts back to being a soupy peat sponge that is rather like quicksand that sucks you under the peat and smothers or drowns you. You can't walk on it without sinking through it let alone take any kind of vehicles or equipment onto it. It can't be filtered and it can't be pumped because it is like a soup of muck.

The freshwater that is in the rivers and lakes in Canada is not much and it comes from snow melt after each winter and then gradually drains and runs dry through the dry months. Now the snow precipitation that provides annual snow melt is becoming less and less each year because of increasingly worse hot, dry climate changes, and the glaciers in the Rocky Mountains are all disappearing, many are already gone now. Every summer now Canada experiences extreme drought on the prairies and Canada's forests become conflagrations of wildfires every year, the wildfires are so much bigger and worse that what happens in California it's unimaginable.

Don't look to Canada for spare freshwater, there is no longer any to spare.

If you want freshwater, pipe it or ship it down from Alaska and then pump it into reservoirs. You can transport it just the same way that all that oil from Canada gets transported to America. There is no other alternative except desalination of sea water. Alaska has a population of only 732 thousand people and it has a far greater abundance of more snow and ice and freshwater than all of Canada could ever have provided in the past when it used to have lots of fresh running water. If everyone in America uses your energy and your water wisely and rationed very, very, very conservatively without any extravagances allowed you will all manage to survive.

Here is Canada's 10% of global freshwater.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muskeg

pictures: https://www.google.ca/search?q=What+...ih=560&dpr=1.5

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Old 05-03-2022, 06:47 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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You want to know where that 10% of global freshwater is in Canada? It isn't in the rivers or lakes and it isn't in the Arctic tundra which is just a desert of scraped down rock and crushed gravel. The water is in the saturated peat sponge called muskeg...


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I always thought it was tied up in all the beer those hockey players drink.

My favorite bumper sticker-- "Be Kind to Animals...Take a Hockey Player to Lunch"
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Old 05-03-2022, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Canada
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I always thought it was tied up in all the beer those hockey players drink.

My favorite bumper sticker-- "Be Kind to Animals...Take a Hockey Player to Lunch"
I think some of our craft beer producers should invent a dark blood-red ale or beer that tastes like acid peat and smells worse than a hockey players' locker room and then name it Muskeg Ale. It could be marketed under the caption "Save Water, Drink Muskeg Juice" and I think it would guzzle down quite well with our hockey animals.

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