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Old 05-06-2022, 07:50 AM
 
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India going to increase it's coal use as it struggles to keep the lights on for it's 1.3 billion people

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/...es-2022-05-06/
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Old 05-06-2022, 10:49 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Let's correct some of the pseudo-science perpetuated in the popular press--

methane is 100x more powerful, on a molar basis, than co2 as a ghg...Co2 is 10x more powerful than h2o as a ghg...BUT--

h2o is 100 x more plentiful than co2 in the atm and co2 is 1000x more plentiful than ch4, so--

the total gh effect of ch4 is negliglible. (Woud you rahter have $10 in quarters, or $100 in pennies?)

Moreover-- methane abosorbs EM in the same range as h2o & co2. Essentially all the EM that can be absorbed by those IS absorbed by those, leaving essentially no EM for ch4 to absorb (extinction of absortion).

Methane is just not a significant factor in regards weather/climate.
Scientists the world over disagree with you. Russia has been watching the underwater methane release from its Arctic continental shelf for many years, and reporting on it at UN climate meetings. And this was before Siberia began to catch fire, due to methane oozing up from underground, due to permafrost melt. All the fires that have now become year-round across Siberia are due to methane release from underground. And of course, the fires themselves add more CO2 to the atmosphere, as do our wildfires. Canada has much less permafrost, apparently due to different geology compared to north Asia, but Alaska has been experiencing methane release from the ground, like Russia.
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Old 05-06-2022, 11:16 AM
 
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Well, here you go, if you want lots and lots of solid data but from not officially recognized source. Tony Heller

https://newtube.app/search?orderBy=n...er&searchType=
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Old 05-06-2022, 11:17 AM
 
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Enjoy graphs, charts, government data. Judge the merit, not the source.
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Old 05-06-2022, 04:26 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uplo...imate-2021.pdf

An evaluation of The State of the Climate from The Global Warming Policy Foundation (from Norway).

Summary-- No evidence of changing storm activity or of snow cover....Minimal sea level change (+1mm/yr)...Small rise in world temps poorly correlated with markedly rising co2 levels, but well corrleated with ocean temp cycles...Arctic sea ice cycles recovering from a low in 2016-- correlates with ocean cycles.

To those who think co2 is so important-- turn to pp 23-25. Pay particular attention to the Figure 20- graphing changes in sea and air temps and co2 levels-- co2 changes lag behind temp changes by 3-4 months. Oceans determine changes in co2 levels.
The Global Warming Policy Foundation is a UK-based think tank founded by former Conservative Chancellor Nigel Lawson (AKA Tony Heller) with the purpose of combating what it describes as “extremely damaging and harmful policies” designed to mitigate climate change. Not sure where Norway comes into all this.

Lawson has no scientific background, but plenty of close ties with well known climate skeptics.

In the age of the Internet and social media you can pretty much find a person or group who agrees with whatever pet peeve someone is pushing at the moment. Those who form their opinions on what they read from biased sources ends up defending falsehoods. For anyone who is interested in discovering the actual truth about the controversy de jour - climate science included - one should read up on the arguments put forth by those on BOTH sides of the controversy.

Confirmation bias is over the top these days.

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Enjoy graphs, charts, government data. Judge the merit, not the source.
This is an oxymoron. It's as if someone accused of stealing a Ford F150 truck presented in his defense a picture of a 2022 Dodge Ram 3500 photoshopped to appear as if it was parked in his driveway. The judge and jury were all people who loved trucks and loved looking at them. Based on the merits of the Dodge Ram, they found the defendant not guilty.

Anyone who is attempting to discover the validity of some piece of information must look at the validity of the source of the information before anything else. Equally important, one must make sure that the supposed source of this information is actually the correct one.

"Government data" is only one source of the information we have today in regard to climate change. What makes the argument that climate change is real so compelling is that 99% of ALL scientists - not just climate scientists - agree that global warming is a real phenomenon and that it is indeed caused by man. This is actually old news. The scientific consensus in regard to climate change was reached 10 or 12 years ago if not sooner.

You can drool over the specs for that Dodge Ram forever, but the actual car in your driveway will remain to be a Ford F150.
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Old 05-06-2022, 06:14 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Scientists the world over disagree with you. ...
No proiblem = no research funding.

Do we need further explanation?
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Old 05-06-2022, 08:18 PM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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No proiblem = no research funding.

Do we need further explanation?
No problem = continued profits and more profits for the CEO's and share holders of Exxon, BP, Shell, and all the other giant petroleum companies.
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Old 05-07-2022, 05:35 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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No problem = continued profits and more profits for the CEO's and share holders of Exxon, BP, Shell, and all the other giant petroleum companies.
Good point..After all, Big Oil has us all tied down and are pouring that nasty black liquid down our throats against our wishes.

Why do people have thermometers on the back porch, marked off with an accuracy of 2 degF (about the same as the "warming" seen over the last century)?...Because biological entities (lke us) can't sense temp changes any more accurately than 5-10deg.


1 degK warming is 1/288 = 0.35%. BFD. [co2] went up frpm 260ppm to 416ppm (38%) during that century. The temp rise was in variable fits and runs of up AND down, while the co2 rise was monotonic & logarithmic. How do you explain that with "GHG Theory?"

In regards my original post, perhaps this article summarizes the concept best. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/...of-proportion/
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Old 05-07-2022, 05:54 AM
 
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Earth's weather has been changing for 4.5 billion years. My short time on earth, 65 years, the weather and sea level seems to never change. I live near the sea, very near. When it is winter, its cold. When its summer, its hot. Here it is May, and its chilly and rainy. Same old chit every year. Unless you're a Marxist, left wing, woke fool, who wants to be spooked by the boogyman every chance they can get. Or, a professional who does not want to rock the boat and not be denied funding from the federal government for what ever reason.

Has anyone's life changed because of climate change? I'm sure there are people on sinking small islands that complain, or someone who lives in the desert who complains about heat, or those in cold areas who complain about the cold. Barring those on constantly changing small sinking islands, nothing has really changed, because the weather has and always will change.

What everyone should be afraid of is another ice age. That has happened several times and in recent history. That would reduce the complaints to near zero.
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Old 05-07-2022, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Central Washington
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I'm not conflating anything. I've been here 20 years and the changes especially since 2015 are radical. We're F'd; kiss your arse goodbye. The planet is heating; there is no stopping it. We're going to fry; worse is that growing food will be a problem. The habitat for humans is going away (and so are humans).
I have lived in Washington all 52 of my years. I'm curious about what these "radical" changes that have apparently occurred to the climate in the past seven years. Sure, we have had a few oddball weather events, but those happen from time to time. With the exception of the heat wave in June, the weather we have been seeing has been seen before.
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