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Old 12-06-2022, 10:25 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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When it comes to the effects on the earth, nothing done by one city, one state, or even one country makes much difference. This is a global issue, and if in fact the earth is being killed off by it's residents (not all are convinced) then every country would have to make the appropriate changes to slow or stop it.
This is exactly why I compare these efforts to a Fourth Grade civics project. Just because some burg in Podunk bans plastic bags does not mean anyone else will.
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Old 12-09-2022, 11:36 AM
 
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Unless all electricity is produced by renewables, a gas stove is greener than an electric one.
Which sounds more efficient to you:
1.Burn gas to heat stove
2. Burn gas to spin generator. Lose some of the energy produced by generator to transmission losses. Use remaining electricity to heat coils.
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Old 12-11-2022, 02:11 PM
 
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Unless all electricity is produced by renewables, a gas stove is greener than an electric one.
Which sounds more efficient to you:
1.Burn gas to heat stove
2. Burn gas to spin generator. Lose some of the energy produced by generator to transmission losses. Use remaining electricity to heat coils.
However, if you want to reduce CO2 emissions, it's much easier to catch them at one electrical generating plant than at 2 million stoves.
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Old 12-14-2022, 09:37 AM
 
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However, if you want to reduce CO2 emissions, it's much easier to catch them at one electrical generating plant than at 2 million stoves.
Well CO2 emission reduction accomplishes less than lithium or cobalt mining reduction.
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Old 12-14-2022, 01:26 PM
 
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Well CO2 emission reduction accomplishes less than lithium or cobalt mining reduction.
There's no proof of that claim. I assume you are OK with breathing polluted air, and scraping the tops of mountains off to fill the valleys to get to the coal with heavy machinery instead of underground miners.
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Old 12-14-2022, 06:32 PM
 
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Too tired to type 1000 words.


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Old 12-15-2022, 03:31 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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^^ You have posted pics from SE Asia, not the USA...Studies (documentation posted previouslu on theis board) that 90% of all the plastic in the oceans come from just five rivers in Africa & SE Asia where dumoing of refuse into the rivers is a govt policy. Most of the rest was dumped from Chinese barges paid to haul away US trash. With no market for "recycled plasrtic" they just dumped it on the way home....More misguided "environmetnalist" policy here.

We won't get into the photography trick here of making the little cesspool in the foreground look huge compared to the city in the background. Have you ever wondered why the dust bunnies seem to accummulate only in certain areas of your house? It has to do with traffic patterns, volume & eddy currents. Same with "garbage islands" in the ocean. Compared to the total surface area of the oceans, these accummulations are not a problem.(I.m not justifying the rude behavior of dumping junk indiscriminately. Those people who do it must have had derelicts for parents.)


How many sea turtles are there in the world? Roughly 1 Million https://arew.org/what-is-the-population-of-sea-turtles/ How many sea turtles have been injured by dumped plastic? Well, you'v posted pics of only two. Statistically non-existant problem.

I've done a fairly extensive scan of the scientific literature-- hundreds of papers documenting the internilization of "micro-plastics" in species ranging from bacteria to birds & mammals and everything in between, yet ZERO have been able to find any pathology involved. Another Non-Problem.

What's your serum porcelain level? Is there any disease associated with a hi or low serum porcelain level? If not, then who cares what your level is?

Addendum-- I strongly suspect the pic of the turtle with a bag in (Under) his face is posed. Again, bobbing for apples shows you how hard it is to capture a floating, soft object in your crainal orifices, even when you're trying. If it did miraculously choke on the bag, how (and why) did it make it all the way up on the beach before dying?..It's a crummy opic. We can't tell if the carcass (already well along in decomposing) just washed up on the beach and happened to trap a bag long after death, or if it's actuallin gbeen inhaleed. I would thin a honest photgrapher would have taken pains to make it obvious if it had really been internalized ante-mortem....Remember Al Gore's famous polar-near-on-an-ice-float pic introducing his lie-o-mentary about GW? Proven to be photo-shopped.

The pic of the constricted turtle shell shows that the band was in place for several (many) years. The band isn't elastic. The turtle's shell grew around it over the course of years. I wonder if the shape was more attractive to potential mates? Humans went thru a stage of wearing corsets for that purpose. (For those who still move their lips when they read-- I'm being facetious with that comment.)

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Old 12-15-2022, 08:17 AM
 
Location: New York Area
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^^ You have posted pics from SE Asia, not the USA...Studies (documentation posted previouslu on theis board) that 90% of all the plastic in the oceans come from just five rivers in Africa & SE Asia where dumoing of refuse into the rivers is a govt policy. Most of the rest was dumped from Chinese barges paid to haul away US trash. With no market for "recycled plasrtic" they just dumped it on the way home....More misguided "environmetnalist" policy here.
More fear porn (literally) and environmental "theater." We waste time pawing through garbage, apparently to no avail other than changing the ocean waste is dumped into. Are we being mandated to sort garbage to make some politicians feel like they are "doing something" about the environment? I trust the answer is yes, because finding a market for "recyclables" is well-nigh impossible.
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Old 12-20-2022, 05:11 PM
 
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Carbon emissions is good for the plants and that’s good for the planet. Why so we want carbon free.
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Old 07-04-2023, 08:48 PM
 
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Its interesting while COVID caused a temporary suspension of such green movements such suspension was very short lasted the movement compared to any other COVID restrictions and curfews. By fall 2020 pretty much all the bans and mandatory fees returned where they were once suspended and they are passing even more bans in legislative sessions despite being in the middle of a global emergency and still having tons of curfews and other restrictions. Clothe masks were pushed heavily even though it had been proven that only 95 masks makes a difference.

How ironic the groups pushing for COVID propaganda and restrictions are also the same ones that were pushing everyone to reuse the same utencils and cups and bags that are used by many people before hand. As with the Olympics they are hellbent that nothing not even COVID can hit the brakes on their agenda.
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