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Old 11-21-2022, 03:15 PM
 
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Bloomberg New Energy Finance in cooperation with COP 27 produced a 68 page slide deck on the transition from ICE to ZEVs. Lots of charts/graphs and facts

Some highlights:

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● Annual passenger electric vehicle sales are on track for around 10.6
million units in 2022, up from 3.1m in 2020 and 6.6m in 2021. 13.2% of
new cars sold globally in the first half of this year were electric, up from
4.3% in 2020 and 8.7% in 2021. Spending on clean road transport
globally will exceed $450 billion this year.

● The adoption of electric vehicles and fuel cell vehicles are expected to
avoid almost 1.7 million barrels of oil use per day in 2022, up from 1.5
million barrels per day in 2021. This is about 3.8% of total demand.

● Global lithium-ion battery manufacturing capacity has increased 38%
since 2021, from 540GWh to 806GWh.

● Automakers have collectively committed to sell around 43 million EVs
per year by 2030, and automakers with planned phase-outs of
combustion engines now account for 30% of the global auto market.
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Global passenger EV sales grew by a record 110% in 2021,
to 6.6 million.

The surge in EV sales contrasted sharply with trends in the
overall passenger vehicle market, which was up only 3%
that year.

The EV surge has continued into 2022.
In the first six months of 2022, nearly 4.3 million EVs were
sold globally – over 70% more than in 1H 2021.

China and Europe have led the global passenger EV and
FCV market since 2015, but Europe’s growth has slowed in
1H 2022.

China and Europe were (respectively) responsible for 48%
and 36% of global EV sales in 2021 and 56% and 28% in 1H
2022.

The next largest market was the US at 11% of the
global market in 1H 2022.

BNEF expects 2022 to be yet another record year for EV
sales globally, at 10.6 million sold in total.
This would put 2022 passenger EV sales 63% higher than in
2021, and 242% higher than in 2020.

https://assets.bbhub.io/professional...sam&stream=top
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Old 11-22-2022, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I read that 95% of EVs are still on the road. The other 5% have made it home.
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Old 11-24-2022, 11:09 AM
 
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I read that 95% of EVs are still on the road. The other 5% have made it home.
Pretty soon all ICE vehicles will be stuck on the road with nowhere to fill up. Many of the local gas chains on the east coast are adding EV charging docks as fast as they can. Only a matter of time before they start ripping out the pumps.
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Old 11-24-2022, 12:44 PM
 
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Ev's are great for reducing the CO2 emissions from automobiles, but it comes at a huge environmental cost. The batteries in these vehicles are comprised of Lithium, Copper, Nickle, and Cobalt, where do you think these minerals come from? As the head long rush into EV's the demand for these minerals will increase. In an IEA report, to reach net-zero globally by 2050 will require 6 times more of these minerals. Where are these minerals going to come from, how about Mega mines. Not only will these mines be located in countries with very low environment regulations they will have a huge impact on water and land resources in these countries. The processing of Lithium carbonate (used in batteries) uses an inordinate amount of water, to process 1 ton of Lithium carbonate requires 500,000 gallons of water. Cobalt is another mineral used in these batteries, the majority of cobalt come from the DRC and it is mined using child labor. These are just touching the surface of the disaster that EV's will contribute for our future generations. We are trading one problem of our own creation for another problem of our own creation.
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Old 11-24-2022, 04:25 PM
 
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Ev's are great for reducing the CO2 emissions from automobiles, but it comes at a huge environmental cost. The batteries in these vehicles are comprised of Lithium, Copper, Nickle, and Cobalt, where do you think these minerals come from? As the head long rush into EV's the demand for these minerals will increase. In an IEA report, to reach net-zero globally by 2050 will require 6 times more of these minerals. Where are these minerals going to come from, how about Mega mines. Not only will these mines be located in countries with very low environment regulations they will have a huge impact on water and land resources in these countries. The processing of Lithium carbonate (used in batteries) uses an inordinate amount of water, to process 1 ton of Lithium carbonate requires 500,000 gallons of water. Cobalt is another mineral used in these batteries, the majority of cobalt come from the DRC and it is mined using child labor. These are just touching the surface of the disaster that EV's will contribute for our future generations. We are trading one problem of our own creation for another problem of our own creation.
Never ceases to amaze me that all the brains, education, professors, engineers, financiers, governments etc. have not after all these years managed to figure out what you and others seem to have figured out.
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Old 11-25-2022, 03:07 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Those who brag about how clean EVs are remind me of gamblers who only talk about the times they win.

With the US mix of power production, the average EV only saves about 40% of the carbon emissions of an ICE...and the ICE is made of something like 75% re-cycled material, while the EV is a huge headache when it comes to disposing of it's matrerials, not to mention the ethics of procuring the materials in the first place.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/ev-e...rint-1.5394126
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Old 11-25-2022, 04:30 PM
 
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Those who brag about how clean EVs are remind me of gamblers who only talk about the times they win.

With the US mix of power production, the average EV only saves about 40% of the carbon emissions of an ICE...and the ICE is made of something like 75% re-cycled material, while the EV is a huge headache when it comes to disposing of it's matrerials, not to mention the ethics of procuring the materials in the first place.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/ev-e...rint-1.5394126
Your link says emissions savings are 60% (and as clean power expands will be heading higher).
I don't know of anyone who claims that EVs are perfect, just a hell of a lot better than the alternative.
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Old 11-26-2022, 02:41 AM
 
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Your link says emissions savings are 60% (and as clean power expands will be heading higher).
I don't know of anyone who claims that EVs are perfect, just a hell of a lot better than the alternative.
"Better" in what respect?...Your problem is that all your arguments are based on the concept that co2 is a pollutant, which it is not. More co2 is better-- More co2 means more "air fertilization". https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...greening-earth. Warmer is better for the biospohere and human health. How many people retire and move north? How much biodiversity is there in the tropics vs the tundra?

Your whole thesis is like arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

While we can have reasonable expectations that technology will improve for EVs, we can also have reasonable expectations that so will ICEs-- There's a thread here about hybrids & the future-- watch the video. The research engineer assures us ICEs now in developement can achieve a 50% energy efficiency-- way better than an EV in terms of a total carbon footprint, if you still linsist that's important.

EVs are and will remain niche solutions to specific application problems. They may solve some environmental problems, but bring a new set of problems to be considered. In the final summation, they aren't very good for the environment, the economy nor the human social condition.
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Old 11-26-2022, 08:07 AM
 
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"Better" in what respect?...Your problem is that all your arguments are based on the concept that co2 is a pollutant, which it is not. More co2 is better-- More co2 means more "air fertilization". https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...greening-earth. Warmer is better for the biospohere and human health. How many people retire and move north? How much biodiversity is there in the tropics vs the tundra?

Your whole thesis is like arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

While we can have reasonable expectations that technology will improve for EVs, we can also have reasonable expectations that so will ICEs-- There's a thread here about hybrids & the future-- watch the video. The research engineer assures us ICEs now in developement can achieve a 50% energy efficiency-- way better than an EV in terms of a total carbon footprint, if you still linsist that's important.

EVs are and will remain niche solutions to specific application problems. They may solve some environmental problems, but bring a new set of problems to be considered. In the final summation, they aren't very good for the environment, the economy nor the human social condition.
Better.........ash tray design, paint colors, floor mats, the list goes on........

From your link.......

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While rising carbon dioxide concentrations in the air can be beneficial for plants, it is also the chief culprit of climate change. The gas, which traps heat in Earth’s atmosphere, has been increasing since the industrial age due to the burning of oil, gas, coal and wood for energy and is continuing to reach concentrations not seen in at least 500,000 years. The impacts of climate change include global warming, rising sea levels, melting glaciers and sea ice as well as more severe weather events.
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Old 11-26-2022, 09:57 AM
 
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Should have added this graph to the quote immediately above.

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The beneficial impacts of carbon dioxide on plants may also be limited, said co-author Dr. Philippe Ciais, associate director of the Laboratory of Climate and Environmental Sciences, Gif-suv-Yvette, France. “Studies have shown that plants acclimatize, or adjust, to rising carbon dioxide concentration and the fertilization effect diminishes over time.”
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