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Old 01-24-2023, 08:04 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Easily verified numbers-- US govt direct subsidies & tax incentives to Wind & Solar power production has totaled in the neighborhood of $100 Billion so far, and the BBB legislation and planned subisidies for EVs & related infrastructure will add $200 -500 Billion more (let's call it $250B).

Amazon Rainforest is being destroyed at a a clip of 10,000 ac /d-- ~350,000,000 ac a yr...Rainforest can be purchased for $100/ac...ie- We could spend a mere $35B a year to stop destruction of the rainforest and preserve it in perpetuity....

The rainforest is ~ 1.3B ac...@ $100/ac, the total cost would be $130B

We could have bought the whole place and still have $200B in our pockets to spend on savng maybe the Monarch breeding grounds in Mexico being rapidly destroyed to plant avocado trees, or maybe the gorilla habitat in The Congo being destroyed by mining for minerlas for EV batteries and solar cells.
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Old 01-24-2023, 02:43 PM
 
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Something tells me neither Mexico, Congo, nor Brazil are going to allow the US government to purchase, fence off, and patrol land within their borders.

Most likely scenario is they take the money and go right on doing what they're doing. Making it economically beneficial is the only way to change human behavior. You could probably do that by bribing or otherwise paying the farmers who are encroaching on the habitats you mentioned, however, they think they are making money off those $100/acre + the cost of clearing and farming the land.

Brazilian farmers (well, the poor ones) make about $250/year/hectare which roughly translates into $100/year/acre. If we optimistically assume that they can be bribed to NOT farm former rainforest at that rate, then it is going to cost $35B/year, increasing geometrically (since you'll have to pay the farmers for the land they would have been farming, and then KEEP paying for that land, as well as the new land, and you'll blow through an entire $350B in 4 years.
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Old 01-24-2023, 11:14 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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My post was not intended to be a detailed proposal, but an example of how stupidly wasteful and misguided our "Environmentalist"policies are.

As far as buying land in other countries, the Nature Conservancy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nature_Conservancy is doing a fair amount of it now. But you're right-- it's unlikely that a foreign country would allow the US govt to do it. (That's OK with me...I don't want the US govt to do anything but protect our borders from invaders, establish a Post Office, post roads over which to carry the mail and to make regular inter-state trade-- the limited duties enumerated in The Constitution.)

Poverty is a major driving factor in destroying habitat...AND, richer countries are more able to devote "excess" money and attention to protecting the environement--> Yet another reason to abandon this insane Net Zero fantasy that will magnify poverty and detract from standard of living.

About 50 y/a, as I recall, a shooting war broke out between Guatemala and Honduras (ostensibly over a disputed decision in a soccer game). The US spent X hundred million dollars on that war. It computed out that we could have just given every man, woman and child in both countries $50,000 (a fortune to them) not to fight...and if we had included a bus ticket to Las Vegas in the deal, they would have all come here and we would have won the money back at the gaming tables. Net cost for peace-- zero.
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Old 01-31-2023, 06:22 PM
 
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same old thing:

PAY people to stop or go.

could you pay anyone to do anything
AND verify the result BEFORE you paid?

remember...ANYTHING.....
everything is not just about money.

mental illness, provocation, etc.
yes, pay as you will, but the recipients
might forgo the payout for accomplishment.

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Old 02-11-2023, 03:33 PM
 
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Will be waiting for GM’s EV offerings to have a few years under their belt. The convenience and price point might make it well worth it.
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Old 02-12-2023, 04:54 AM
 
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Price?....Consider this https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/lithium and bound to get worse as supply won't keep up with demand.
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Old 02-12-2023, 10:31 AM
 
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Funny how Tesla and Ford dropped prices, eh?

Oh and this is really a great breakthrough- https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/03/...es-65-million/

New prototype battery that powered a Tesla for 750 miles on a single charge.
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Old 02-12-2023, 10:35 AM
 
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Price?....Consider this https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/lithium and bound to get worse as supply won't keep up with demand.
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Old 02-12-2023, 10:55 AM
 
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Thanks for conceding the argument. When you have to resort to objecting to sources, you've lost....I posted the first site that came up for Li commodity prices....Feel free to check any others. They're all the same, just reporting what the trading exchanges are doing- a matter of public record.
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Old 02-12-2023, 12:45 PM
 
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Thanks for conceding the argument. When you have to resort to objecting to sources, you've lost....I posted the first site that came up for Li commodity prices....Feel free to check any others. They're all the same, just reporting what the trading exchanges are doing- a matter of public record.
It’s not an argument. Your sources are crap. Just like your arguments against Ego lithium batteries in another forum. Junk.
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