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Old 06-17-2024, 09:12 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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I'm with you. Cida.,..It takes 3-5 days with no water at all to die of dehydration. Surely one can go a few hours without taking a swig without suffering physical damage. Mental health for some, apparently, would be adversely affected.

The burning of one lb of fat produces about a liter of water.

I had an acquaintance in Rome who worked for a very well known, "high end" producer of aqua minerale. He ran the bottling machine that filled and capped bottles of Roman tap water. Caveat emptor.

Someone who thinks having contaminants in public water supply exceeding govt limits (artificially & arbitrarily determined, BTW) should provide us with some hard clinical data showing that's a problem. We're all living longer, healthier lives, so any change in health outcomes due to bad water is so small as to be lost as noise in the data. Don't lose sleep over it.
OTOH-- rural folks with their own well are known to get significant amounts of ag chemicals or bacterial overgrowth in their water supply. Periodic testing is recommended.

The Flint MI case is another example of how media scare tactics and the opportunistic political types lose credibility...They didn't tell us how high the PB levels were there, so I estimated them to be 1000x the legal limit....Using the arbitrarily set blood level of safety for Pb, assuming it was all absorbed from the water and none of it secreted, then a 30 kg kid (who remained 30 kg forever) would have to drink 50 gal of that water a day for over 100 yrs to achieve toxic blood levels....Always do the arithmetic first before panicking.
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Old 06-17-2024, 09:14 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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That article was dated 2011.
Thanks, didn't notice that, but there are more recent similar stories.

https://www.nrdc.org/stories/america...tem#lead-pipes

https://hsc.unm.edu/news/2023/10/u.s...ist-warns.html
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Old 06-17-2024, 09:16 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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That article was dated 2011.
Thanks, didn't notice that, but there are more recent similar stories. It shows that after 13 years the same problems with some water persists.

https://www.nrdc.org/stories/america...tem#lead-pipes

https://hsc.unm.edu/news/2023/10/u.s...ist-warns.html
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Old 06-17-2024, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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The Flint MI case is another example of how media scare tactics and the opportunistic political types lose credibility...They didn't tell us how high the PB levels were there, so I estimated them to be 1000x the legal limit....Using the arbitrarily set blood level of safety for Pb, assuming it was all absorbed from the water and none of it secreted, then a 30 kg kid (who remained 30 kg forever) would have to drink 50 gal of that water a day for over 100 yrs to achieve toxic blood levels....Always do the arithmetic first before panicking.


Flint water exceeded the federal limits for lead, is said to have caused a lethal outbreak of Legionnaire's disease and was reported to smell and taste very bad. Bathing in it supposedly caused problems too.

Now I only carry a water bottle with me on a long hike or during air travel.

They're convenient for many people at work to have on hand at a moment's notice rather than seeking out a water fountain.

We're fortunate to have good tap water here in Juneau, AK and also in Puna, Hawaii. The word Puna means water spring in the Hawaiian language.
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Old 06-17-2024, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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There's an idea, just put a sign on your front faucet inviting the delivery people to have a nice drink from the hose!
There are garden hoses safe for drinking water

https://www.amazon.com/Flexzilla-HFZ...ref=mp_s_a_1_4
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Old 06-17-2024, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Tricity, PL
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Thanks, didn't notice that, but there are more recent similar stories. It shows that after 13 years the same problems with some water persists.

https://www.nrdc.org/stories/america...tem#lead-pipes

https://hsc.unm.edu/news/2023/10/u.s...ist-warns.html
I will add few more:
https://www.usgs.gov/news/national-n...cals-across-us

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ever-chemicals

https://www.ehn.org/drinking-water-p...655521279.html

If you live in the United States, there is a nearly one-in-four chance your tap water is either unsafe to drink or has not been properly monitored for contaminants in accordance with federal law, a new study has found.
It's not only that some tap water has high levels of lead, nitrates, arsenic or other pollutants, said Mae Wu, a senior attorney with the council's health program. It is that too often, a lack of reporting means residents cannot be sure whether their drinking water is contaminated or not.

The lack of access to clean drinking water, sanitary bathrooms, and treated wastewater is an ongoing emergency for many parts of the U.S. as well.
All that shame in one of the richest countries on Earth

The Safe Drinking Water Act is undeniably outdated, as not a single contaminant has been added to its list of regulated chemicals since the year 2000. Standards for judging whether or not a chemical is harmful at certain levels have not been updated since 1974.

The 2021 Report Card for America’s Infrastructure, released by the American Society of Civil Engineering, gave a dismal D+ grade to the country’s more than 16,000 wastewater treatment plants, a significant fraction of which have reached or exceeded their design capacities. The U.S. drinking water infrastructure earned only a marginally better rating, with a C-grade.

https://www.aquasana.com/info/top-10...-water-pd.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...infrastructure

etc... etc...
The Internet is full of such articles.

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Old 06-17-2024, 11:36 AM
 
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I reuse the same plastic water bottles, refilling them from the tap. Yes, I know about but don't care about "particles." However, I often notice that I'm JUST carrying it around and not drinking it, lol. It must've been the bottled water merchandisers who convinced us we'd dry up and die if we didn't have one on us 24/7. The impact on the environment and nature is appalling.
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Old 06-17-2024, 11:46 AM
 
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I'm with you. Cida.,..It takes 3-5 days with no water at all to die of dehydration. Surely one can go a few hours without taking a swig without suffering physical damage. Mental health for some, apparently, would be adversely affected.

The burning of one lb of fat produces about a liter of water.

I had an acquaintance in Rome who worked for a very well known, "high end" producer of aqua minerale. He ran the bottling machine that filled and capped bottles of Roman tap water. Caveat emptor.

Someone who thinks having contaminants in public water supply exceeding govt limits (artificially & arbitrarily determined, BTW) should provide us with some hard clinical data showing that's a problem. We're all living longer, healthier lives, so any change in health outcomes due to bad water is so small as to be lost as noise in the data. Don't lose sleep over it.
OTOH-- rural folks with their own well are known to get significant amounts of ag chemicals or bacterial overgrowth in their water supply. Periodic testing is recommended.

The Flint MI case is another example of how media scare tactics and the opportunistic political types lose credibility...They didn't tell us how high the PB levels were there, so I estimated them to be 1000x the legal limit....Using the arbitrarily set blood level of safety for Pb, assuming it was all absorbed from the water and none of it secreted, then a 30 kg kid (who remained 30 kg forever) would have to drink 50 gal of that water a day for over 100 yrs to achieve toxic blood levels....Always do the arithmetic first before panicking.
Please be so kind and do yard work in OK without water breaks:>)
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Old 06-17-2024, 12:12 PM
 
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There's an idea, just put a sign on your front faucet inviting the delivery people to have a nice drink from the hose!
Hey, if it was good enough for us kids, it's good enough for the delivery drivers. ;-P
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Old 06-17-2024, 12:12 PM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Please be so kind and do yard work in OK without water breaks:>)
Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the noonday sun.

Of course you'll feel better if you pace yourself and take an occasional breather when working hard.....OTOH it won:t kill you. Back in the Lombardi Era when men were tough, we reported for football training camp in Aug with temps 85-95 and humidity 80%+, and work hard in full pads & helmet for four hours without any breaks. Nobody suffered from heat exhaustion. Nobody died.....Although I don't know that anybody was any better off for it . Luckily, coaches have become more enlightened than in The Good 'ol Days......But why do women lolligagging around the mall shopping for high fashion have to carry a bottle with?

As far as those articles cited above about crap in our water-- anybody getting sick from it?....As I said before, the "legal limits" are just guesses with no scientific basis.
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