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Old 01-25-2009, 03:10 PM
 
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Dumb & Dumber "The Gross Inefficiency and Environmental Hazards of the Solar Power Industry in the USA!":shocke d:

Yes, fellow forum members this is the only way to describe the wasteful and inefficient management of the way Solar Energy is manufactured, politicized, researched and implemented throughout the USA.

One lead question we must all consider, If Solar Power is such a great source of energy why does the solar power industry always have to beg for government subsidies and handouts? If it was such great technology why can't this industry make it on their own? : think::t hink::th ink:

One case in point was the Silicon Industry Boom! Here you had an industry driven by spectacular innovations with out having to rely on handouts from tax payers! But in the case of these Squirming Green Adam's Apple Solar Energy Freaks, they have absolutely nothing but failure to offer our society.
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Old 01-26-2009, 09:53 AM
 
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Silicon Valley recieved tremendous taxpayer support through aerospace and military contracting and research. I must admire your certainy in the future of our energy supply.
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Old 01-26-2009, 01:41 PM
 
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And our current energy suppliers receive huge subsides, especially through tax breaks.
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Old 01-26-2009, 02:03 PM
 
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Dumb & Dumber "The Gross Inefficiency and Environmental Hazards of the Solar Power Industry in the USA!":shocke d:

Yes, fellow forum members this is the only way to describe the wasteful and inefficient management of the way Solar Energy is manufactured, politicized, researched and implemented throughout the USA.

One lead question we must all consider, If Solar Power is such a great source of energy why does the solar power industry always have to beg for government subsidies and handouts? If it was such great technology why can't this industry make it on their own? : think::t hink::th ink:

One case in point was the Silicon Industry Boom! Here you had an industry driven by spectacular innovations with out having to rely on handouts from tax payers! But in the case of these Squirming Green Adam's Apple Solar Energy Freaks, they have absolutely nothing but failure to offer our society.

Yes, but if you discard your usual double-standard and judge it by the standard already set by the Petroleum and Coal industries they don't look so bad. Go on bleating though, don't let it stop you.
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Old 01-26-2009, 02:58 PM
 
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And our current energy suppliers receive huge subsides, especially through tax breaks.
Not really, when you make a side by side comparison especially when you consider the percentage of subsidy for output. See table Table ES5, coal received 854 million in 2007 @0.44 dollars/megawatthour. Wind got 724 million @23.37 dollars/megawatthour.

522 million of the subsidy for coal was for R&D and not tax breaks, they don't specifically list how much wind received in tax breaks but from table ES4 you can assume it was a significant amount, possibly all of it.

Note that the largest subsidies by far is for ethanol.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/servicer...df/execsum.pdf

The tax break for "refined coal" is to the best of my knowledge is for production of low emission coal which is a new process applied before burning. It does receive a significant amount however it's a process that is viable and works. Money that is better spent than throwing it down the ethanol black hole.

Do a search for k fuel...

http://www.reuters.com/article/press...008+BW20080207
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Old 01-26-2009, 06:31 PM
 
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Thumbs down Who Gets the most Tax Breaks

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And our current energy suppliers receive huge subsides, especially through tax breaks.

Let me say it again Mr Crazyme4878;

Dumb & Dumber;
This is the only way to describe the wasteful and inefficient management of the way Solar Energy is manufactured, politicized, researched and implemented throughout the USA;

It is not rocket science to figure this out, especially when you understand that the majority of the Coal Industry only gets 1/5 of the tax breaks your Adam's Green Apple Renewable Industry Gets!

However, the point being made is that you can't get anyone to even hook up to Solar unless you give them such a huge tax incentive with a rebate and this is mainly because the Solar Products are inferior and and a "Piece of Junk"!!!!

Lastly, these huge Solar Farms are Environmental Nightmares!!!! The amount of acreage they require alone constitutes an ecological disaster!
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:24 AM
 
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In some places in the world like Algeria the shade underneath the solar collectors is worth more than the energy collected. However, the Algerians will gladly sell both.
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Old 01-27-2009, 02:28 PM
 
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Dumb & Dumber "The Gross Inefficiency and Environmental Hazards of the Solar Power Industry in the USA!":shocke d:

Yes, fellow forum members this is the only way to describe the wasteful and inefficient management of the way Solar Energy is manufactured, politicized, researched and implemented throughout the USA.

One lead question we must all consider, If Solar Power is such a great source of energy why does the solar power industry always have to beg for government subsidies and handouts? If it was such great technology why can't this industry make it on their own? : think::t hink::th ink:

One case in point was the Silicon Industry Boom! Here you had an industry driven by spectacular innovations with out having to rely on handouts from tax payers! But in the case of these Squirming Green Adam's Apple Solar Energy Freaks, they have absolutely nothing but failure to offer our society.
Hopefully this post hit Peak Emotocons.

While glad you stopped by from outer orbit, Comet Voyager, I cannot track what you are going on about . . . do you know?

You are probably mixing Solar Thermal (relatively cheap and effective) and Solar PV?

Thanks.
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Old 01-27-2009, 04:34 PM
 
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Hopefully this post hit Peak Emotocons.

While glad you stopped by from outer orbit, Comet Voyager, I cannot track what you are going on about . . . do you know?

You are probably mixing Solar Thermal (relatively cheap and effective) and Solar PV? thanks.
Thanks for dropping by Philip T!

I was definitely referring to both Solar PV and Thermal, as both are grossly expensive and inefficient. Of course PV is as bad as it gets when it comes to energy efficiency. And I understand many claim that ST is so much more efficient than PV but that comparison reminds me of when you go to a Jewlery Store and you see signs like 70% off all items in the store! Well it may look like you are saving money but in reality 70% off what? What is the mark up?

With regards to Solar Thermal, (ST), although it is significanly more efficient than PV, ST efficiency is pale in comparison to Coal, Oil or Natual Gas. In other words ST is a total waste of money and more so it encumbers too much real estate!
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Old 01-27-2009, 05:02 PM
 
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Thanks for dropping by Philip T!

I was definitely referring to both Solar PV and Thermal, as both are grossly expensive and inefficient. Of course PV is as bad as it gets when it comes to energy efficiency. And I understand many claim that ST is so much more efficient than PV but that comparison reminds me of when you go to a Jewlery Store and you see signs like 70% off all items in the store! Well it may look like you are saving money but in reality 70% off what? What is the mark up?

With regards to Solar Thermal, (ST), although it is significanly more efficient than PV, ST efficiency is pale in comparison to Coal, Oil or Natual Gas. In other words ST is a total waste of money and more so it encumbers too much real estate!
It's not all that clear why you think efficiency is the only benchmark to look at with solar. The "fuel" is free. There are aspects of efficiency that drive capital costs, but its not at all clear you understand that.
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