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Distributed systems vs. centralized systems. Ancient argument.
Your little horse must think it ***** I sold my house in the village.
I hope you understand the import of the larger question. Forest Breath, for one, has taken a road less traveled by, to find her dream both dark and deep.
"Long I stood and looked down the one as far as I could,
to where it bent in the undergrowth;"
then took the other, neigh, more fair
Heehee. Big surprise - the activists get put in positions to do something, and suddenly find that it is in their own best interests to contemplate something that they didn't have to think about before. Rather like the 'hippies' who had to cut their hair, move out of the communes, and get jobs in the "straight" world, when Mom and Dad cut off their financing. Real life is always a surprise when you are finally faced with a choice between YOUR demands and other peoples' rights.
Sounds about right, many in the green movement has also cast themselves as anti government, anti business, and anyone who doesn't think the same is the enemy. However, if many want to get their dream of large scale environmentally friendly production (especially energy) there needs to be government, business, and working well with others involved...plus net efficiency compared to traditional methods of production.
It's easy to complain when people aren't making the environmentally better choice, not so easy when the you have to make the choice when it costs much more then the traditional method on a limited budget. If people can't afford to make that choice due to their cash flows, especially with so many out of work and investments still in the toilet...it doesn't matter how much people complain or care to try and coax them into the decision they want them to make.
Heehee. Big surprise - the activists get put in positions to do something, and suddenly find that it is in their own best interests to contemplate something that they didn't have to think about before. Rather like the 'hippies' who had to cut their hair, move out of the communes, and get jobs in the "straight" world, when Mom and Dad cut off their financing. Real life is always a surprise when you are finally faced with a choice between YOUR demands and other peoples' rights.
Sooo true.
I also thought of the gneration hippies back in the 60's against the establishment until they became the establishment themselves. But, as always, you word it so well.
That is an interesting article. My wife, who is a full bloodied hard core environmentalist and has the degrees to back it up...said it best. "It seems like when we do one good thing, it hurts the environment somewhere else".
I will never forget the time I had her snap a picture of me cutting this big Spruce tree. As I went to fell it, she commented that I should "leave the big tree and just cut the smaller trees". I guess it never occurred to her that if I always cut the little trees I never would have big trees would I?
We have a huge battle going on here. Maine has the ability to produce a massive amount of electricity from the wind and from the ocean currents. With 2900 miles of coastline, it gets hammered by wind and waves after all. But here is the thing, windmills generate low frequency noise and off-shore wave generation stations (and windmills) would ruin those beautiful ocean views that so many people come to Maine for.
It's so silly. We can be a self-sustained energy state but the "not in my backyard mentality" means we pay for expensive oil and foul our soil and water with pollutants.
This definetely adds to the overall discussion. The one point that is inherent in all ten points is that environmentalism is no different than other things - it is market driven. Market driven from a company's bottom line perspective and market driven from providing products and services that consumers want to buy. The interesting thing about all of this is that environmental concerns are in fact being recognized as a factor in defining strategic business plans.
Near the end of the article the point was made that ties in to the original article I used to start the thread - "Any action creates waste". In other words, there are no free lunches, only intelligent tradeoffs.
That is an interesting article. My wife, who is a full bloodied hard core environmentalist and has the degrees to back it up...said it best. "It seems like when we do one good thing, it hurts the environment somewhere else".
I will never forget the time I had her snap a picture of me cutting this big Spruce tree. As I went to fell it, she commented that I should "leave the big tree and just cut the smaller trees". I guess it never occurred to her that if I always cut the little trees I never would have big trees would I?
We have a huge battle going on here. Maine has the ability to produce a massive amount of electricity from the wind and from the ocean currents. With 2900 miles of coastline, it gets hammered by wind and waves after all. But here is the thing, windmills generate low frequency noise and off-shore wave generation stations (and windmills) would ruin those beautiful ocean views that so many people come to Maine for.
It's so silly. We can be a self-sustained energy state but the "not in my backyard mentality" means we pay for expensive oil and foul our soil and water with pollutants.
Maine's already about 50% renewable in electricity from the wood pulp industry. All things are a compromise. The areas that are attractive for wind in your state are modest. Wind turbines generally don't upset people. The low frequency noise is very localized.
Maine's already about 50% renewable in electricity from the wood pulp industry. All things are a compromise. The areas that are attractive for wind in your state are modest. Wind turbines generally don't upset people. The low frequency noise is very localized.
You don't know Mainer's very well.
At town meeting I was talking to one guy about how some of us who have lived on these hills all our lives have had to pay extra for heating, pushing snow, damage to our homes, etc and that this was finally a way of making our farms help pay for themselves. So this woman overhears me talking and said...
"Yes I understand that, but when I want to return home from a trip I don't want to look up at MY hills and see windmills on them."
At which point I reminded her that those hills are someones property and they have been paying taxes on them for a very long time. The truth is, once these windmills are up people will grow to like them. They just:
1. Hate change
2. Are jealous that people in elevated areas will get money and they won't
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