Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
So wind isn't competitive until coal is taxed prohibitively?
That's pretty much what I thought.
All of us who have studied economics understand the concept of an externality. If you price pollution at zero, you get too much pollution. Very simple. Even an engineer like me can understand that level of economics.
I'm not really surprised to hear this. I've seen more wind turbine blades moving on trucks here in the middle country than I thought existed. The last couple of years I lived in Fort Worth I used to see caravans of them on I-20 nearly every day on my way to and from work. Where 5-6 years ago I absolutely never saw them.
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
11,969 posts, read 25,565,365 times
Reputation: 12193
Quote:
Originally Posted by drjones96
I'm not really surprised to hear this. I've seen more wind turbine blades moving on trucks here in the middle country than I thought existed. The last couple of years I lived in Fort Worth I used to see caravans of them on I-20 nearly every day on my way to and from work. Where 5-6 years ago I absolutely never saw them.
I think the Great Plains are becoming the economic engine of America - it has enough wind potential to fuel ALL electricity needs for the entire US and the Bakken Oil Field in North Dakota (extending into Saskatchewan) is said to be as large as any oil field in Saudi Arabia (if it's half that size it's still a huge deal).
All of us who have studied economics understand the concept of an externality. If you price pollution at zero, you get too much pollution. Very simple. Even an engineer like me can understand that level of economics.
Then you should understand that if government prices pollution we will get more pollution and it will cost us more. You should also understand that if wind power was economically feasible then some greedy capitalist pig would have realized this and would be worth billions by now. But it's not. That's why the government has to force us to do what they want.
Governments make whatever "problem" they are working on worse and they make it more expensive. Energy will be no different.
Why does anyone think we have an energy problem in the U.S. anyway?
I turn my light switch on, I get electricity. No problem.
This energy crises is all bull****. Created by communist enviros. Moderator cut: No flaming - See Terms of Service
Last edited by vec101; 06-13-2009 at 05:17 AM..
Reason: No flaming
Here's a link to an article about global warming and cap and trade.
31,478 scientists agree with me. Global warming is a lie. Cap and trade will lead to economic destruction and carbon dioxide is good for the atmosphere. Just what I have been saying for 15 years.
I wish the communist enviros would make up their minds anyway.
In the 1960s overpopulation was going to kill us.
In the 1970s it was the New Ice Age.
In the 1980s it was Acid Rain and Ozone layer depletion.
In the 1990s it was global wariming caused by sulfur pollution.
In the 2000s it was global warming caused by carbon dioxide.
Now they figure out the earth is cooling so we change it to climate change. LOLs.
The wind, a favorite power source of the green energy movement, seems to be dying down across the United States. And the cause, ironically, may be global warming — the very problem wind power seeks to address.
The idea that winds may be slowing is still a speculative one, and scientists disagree whether that is happening. But a first-of-its-kind study suggests that average and peak wind speeds have been noticeably slowing since 1973, especially in the Midwest and the East. The Associated Press: Not so windy: Research suggests winds dying down
Of course, it's the fault of global warming. Isn't everything?
But a handful of people who live near some of the 46 turbines at a wind park in Bingham and Sheridan townships are now complaining about ongoing noise and rumble from the 300-foot-tall renewable energy generators.
......... lives nearby and within 1,300 feet of a turbine. He said he's had problems with rumbling, or "infrasound." ......... compares the rumble to the feeling of a train moving by........."When I lay in bed, that's what wakes me up. That's what's not allowing us to get a good night's sleep," ......
Then you should understand that if government prices pollution we will get more pollution and it will cost us more. You should also understand that if wind power was economically feasible then some greedy capitalist pig would have realized this and would be worth billions by now. But it's not. That's why the government has to force us to do what they want.
About $24 Billion in private money went into wind turbine construction in the United States last year. Your economics degree must be from a different school than mine, Explain again how putting a price on pollution raises the level of pollution?
Who's forcing you to do anything?
Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthPoleMarathoner
Governments make whatever "problem" they are working on worse and they make it more expensive. Energy will be no different.
They made the Internet worse? I thought they made the Internet, period.
Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthPoleMarathoner
Why does anyone think we have an energy problem in the U.S. anyway?
I turn my light switch on, I get electricity. No problem.
Don't worry. Go back to sleep. Pay the bill when it comes. The adults will take care of the decisions.
Quote:
Originally Posted by NorthPoleMarathoner
This energy crises is all bull****. Created by communist enviros. Moderator cut: No flaming - See Terms of Service
Makes those trailer-homes rattle I suspect. LOL Now you can save the quarter that you used to put in the bed vibrator.
You may want to actually take a look at the home in the link.
That is a 2 story farmhouse - not a trailer.
(The quarter joke was funny though).
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
