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Old 10-28-2021, 10:44 AM
 
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It all boils down to Greensboro and Winston-Salem attracting high paying white collar jobs. Only then PTI will become an important airhub which will lead to other great things for the region. But you must admit the commissioner is saying behind closed doors that he wish he could get the hell out of Dodge. He's a Chicago guy and he's use to the big city. It would be like someone who has lived in Greensboro all their life and suddenly they are living in Tyro, NC.
If Greensboro were the best business decision for the league, he'd be staying. But it's highly unlikely that that will be the conclusion. The question is more of which suburb will land the ACC or will they end up IN Charlotte?

It's not a slight at Greensboro. It's not ego. It's not one guy just wanting to be in the big city. Heck, before Northwestern Phillips was AD at NIU.... in DeKalb, IL which is a similar distance to Chicago as ACC HQ is to Charlotte.
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Old 10-28-2021, 11:08 AM
 
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It all boils down to Greensboro and Winston-Salem attracting high paying white collar jobs. Only then PTI will become an important airhub which will lead to other great things for the region. But you must admit the commissioner is saying behind closed doors that he wish he could get the hell out of Dodge. He's a Chicago guy and he's use to the big city. It would be like someone who has lived in Greensboro all their life and suddenly they are living in Tyro, NC.
Your points are well taken.
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Old 10-28-2021, 12:03 PM
 
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It all boils down to Greensboro and Winston-Salem attracting high paying white collar jobs. Only then PTI will become an important airhub which will lead to other great things for the region. But you must admit the commissioner is saying behind closed doors that he wish he could get the hell out of Dodge. He's a Chicago guy and he's use to the big city. It would be like someone who has lived in Greensboro all their life and suddenly they are living in Tyro, NC.
Your points are well taken.
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Old 10-28-2021, 12:52 PM
 
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Not sure if anybody on here is an ACC insider, but do we know how many of the jobs at ACC HQ require traveling? Business travel can be exhausting and for those at ACC HQ that travel a lot, the lack of nonstop flights can have a significant impact on quality of life. For occasional travelers that fly 1 - 5 times per year, a connection isn't a huge deal. If you fly 2 - 3 times a month or more, not having direct options becomes frustrating and is a big reason companies cluster around big airports.

Take an ACC employee traveling to Boston College from Greensboro:
From Greensboro they have to connect. Meeting with Boston College is at 12PM for lunch on Monday. Because of connections + driving to campus not leaving enough buffer Monday morning, they have to leave their family and fly out Sunday night and get a hotel in Boston Sunday night. Their meetings wrap up on Monday by 4PM and they head to the airport. They have to connect in cities likes New York, Washington, Philadelphia, and Charlotte on the way back and would arrive in Greensboro around midnight after 4+ hours of traveling each way. Their flight in Boston is delayed 45 minutes, missing the last connection of the day to Greensboro and they have to overnight in the connecting city. After dealing with the airline putting them up in a hotel and the first flights in the morning being fully booked, they finally get home the next day by 2PM and had to move their Tuesday morning schedule around.

ACC employee traveling to Boston College from Charlotte:
There are 16 nonstop flights per day on 3 airlines. The employee would prefer to tuck their kids into bed Sunday night, so they pick an early nonstop Monday morning that leaves at 6AM and arrives in Boston at 8:30AM. The flight is delayed 40 minutes, but they are still on the ground in Boston well in advance of the 12PM lunch and don't have a connection to worry about missing. After everything wraps up at 4PM they head to the airport for the 7:45PM nonstop back to CLT. Again due to Northeast weather there is a delay, but the flight ultimately leaves one hour late for Charlotte. No connections to worry about to strand you in another city and you are still home the same day to sleep in your own bed and see the kids off to school in the morning. Despite the inconvenience of the one hour delay in Boston, you still make it home and are able to keep your Tuesday schedule.

Not dealing with the nightmare of missing connections, getting stranded in a city you didn't plan to be in, the significant increase in time traveling, spending time in airports, et... is why business travelers love nonstops.

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Old 10-28-2021, 12:54 PM
 
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If Greensboro were the best business decision for the league, he'd be staying. But it's highly unlikely that that will be the conclusion. The question is more of which suburb will land the ACC or will they end up IN Charlotte?

It's not a slight at Greensboro. It's not ego. It's not one guy just wanting to be in the big city. Heck, before Northwestern Phillips was AD at NIU.... in DeKalb, IL which is a similar distance to Chicago as ACC HQ is to Charlotte.
Not sure why this is so hard for some people to understand. The idea that the commissioner has unilaterally decided to move the ACC to Charlotte simply because he's a "big city" guy who wants it to be in a "big city" is completely ridiculous, and naive at best.
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Old 10-28-2021, 01:01 PM
 
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Will PTI ever grow as a passenger airport or be more cargo with Charlotte, Raleigh, and Richmond in it's shadows?
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Old 10-28-2021, 02:49 PM
 
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Will PTI ever grow as a passenger airport or be more cargo with Charlotte, Raleigh, and Richmond in it's shadows?
Time will tell, but I had no idea Richmond was a major player. I love the town actually...and find it to be more "city-ish" than most other southern cities.
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Old 10-28-2021, 03:33 PM
 
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Not sure why this is so hard for some people to understand. The idea that the commissioner has unilaterally decided to move the ACC to Charlotte simply because he's a "big city" guy who wants it to be in a "big city" is completely ridiculous, and naive at best.
This all feels like a shell game to be honest. The SEC is doing dandy in Birmingham. The Pac is dying and spending $7 million annually to rent in San Francisco. The headquarters don’t make the league. If they want to move the ACC headquarters, that’s fine, but it’s for public relation purposes at best. But the tournament absolutely must stay in Greensboro at least 5 times in a 10-year period. And the headquarters really shouldn’t leave the state.
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Old 10-28-2021, 04:19 PM
 
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This all feels like a shell game to be honest. The SEC is doing dandy in Birmingham. The Pac is dying and spending $7 million annually to rent in San Francisco. The headquarters don’t make the league. If they want to move the ACC headquarters, that’s fine, but it’s for public relation purposes at best. But the tournament absolutely must stay in Greensboro at least 5 times in a 10-year period. And the headquarters really shouldn’t leave the state.
There's an old saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I'm sure that the ACC Board of Directors are very familiar with this idea, and they obviously consider their current situation as far as location is something that needs to be fixed. Otherwise they wouldn't be considering this at all.

On top of that, how many other businesses or organizations have either left the Triad or gotten purchased by bigger companies from bigger cities with access to more amenities, corporate revenue and sponsorship, and movers and shakers, in the last decade or so?

This really should come as no shock. It does need to be a wake up call, and furthermore a call to action by city leaders, but for some reason I get the feeling that they will continue to make excuses and not recognize it for what it really is.

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Old 10-28-2021, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
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My two cents on Greensboro's problem. Alarm bells should have gone off when VF Corp left for Denver.

We don’t have aggressive leadership in government and in the business community. We need business leaders like Charlotte's Hugh McColl who was actively engaged in not just being a CEO, he was a key figure in Charlotte's growth. Some of the leadership in Greensboro is incompetent. The sloppy handing of the Westin Hotel project is just one example of that.. Sometimes you just have to take bold and risky steps instead of saying “its just not feasible in Greensboro” or “we can’t get this project to pencil out”. The city has done a great job with new amenities across the city and particularly downtown but we have ignored the root of the problem. Winston-Salem is beginning to figure it out. Look at the Innovation Quarter. While it has not matured yet, the city has done something that combines cultural elements and business. It involves the kind of jobs that lead to cities becoming like Charlotte or Raleigh/Durham. Greensboro need to figure out how we can get thousands of high paying WHITE COLLAR jobs into this city and not in suburban office parks, I mean downtown but we have to make it easier to develop downtown. Off the record a number of out of town developers have said they have ignored Greensboro because the city is the most difficult to work with of all the major cities in North Carolina.

If Greensboro can become a business hub maybe then PTI can become a bustling airport hub with direct flights to almost every major city in this country along with international flights. We need to become a BUSINESS hub, not a shipping hub. You either have to be a business hub or a tourist hub to have a bustling International airport. Having that status would help the entire Piedmont Triad grow and even ensure the Home Furnishings Market in High Point stay there long term.

Part of it relies on getting the community at large excited about change and economic growth in the community. A sense of pride. Just look at how many Charlotte posters there are on the forums versus Greensboro posters. Charlotteans have always been proud and excited about their city. If we are not excited about our own city, the business community won't be either.

Its all about white collar jobs. Lower taxes and less red government tape is a start but in order to gain these white collar jobs we have to nurture the white collar jobs we already have. What are Greensboro’s strengths in this sector? Greensboro does have a cluster in the insurance/financial sector. Decades ago we were dubbed “The Hartford of the South” because of the number of insurance companies here. Jefferson Standard Life led to the construction of one of the tallest buildings in the south back in 1923. Greensboro was on its way back then. Even today the insurance sector occupies more office space in downtown Greensboro than any other sector. That's a pretty big hint in the direction we need to go but but some how this city has lost the mojo it had between the 1920s and 1950s. Something happened in the 1970s and 80s that led to Greensboro becoming the "sleepy" town that was once called "Greensboring" We are making positive steps today but now we are eating Charlotte and Raleigh’s dust. The city should make a goal to become the largest insurance/financial hub in the Southeast and figure out how to achieve that goal. Charlotte did that with banking. Policy changes that would make Greensboro more business friendly is a start but we have to dream BIG as a community. Instead of just accepting what we are, we need to achieve what we want to be. Things like performing arts center and nice parks are just window dressing. They are great and are a part of improving the quality of life to attract business but its not just about those kind of things. What is it going to take to get Greensboro leaders to understand this? Manufacturing/Transportation and logistics needs to be secondary. The city is not going to get the demographics it needs from those sectors. If our leaders won't make the tough decisions and have vision, we need to elect new leaders who do.

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