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Old 12-01-2023, 11:38 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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I think Greensboro's compact downtown is an advantage. In any event, G'boro was a very small city when its downtown was originally developed, so of course its not large. What does it matter? Like virtually all sunbelt cities who largely developed as cities in the post WW2 years, G'boro, Charlotte, Raleigh, W-S, Durham all are small urban cores surrounded by post war suburban (i.e. automobile dependent) development. It is what it is.
Not sure why you included charlotte and Raleigh in that line up, both areas are seeing vastly expanding and rapidly growing urban areas that are meshing into the old suburban areas which have also been rapidly changing for a more urban experience, specifically south end in Charlotte and North hills in Raleigh.
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Old 12-02-2023, 06:13 AM
 
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Not sure why you included charlotte and Raleigh in that line up, both areas are seeing vastly expanding and rapidly growing urban areas that are meshing into the old suburban areas which have also been rapidly changing for a more urban experience, specifically south end in Charlotte and North hills in Raleigh.
I included them because they fit my premise. Perfectly.
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Old 12-02-2023, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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I included them because they fit my premise. Perfectly.
Care to elaborate?
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Old 12-02-2023, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Care to elaborate?
His premise was flawed.
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Old 12-03-2023, 11:26 AM
 
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His premise was flawed.
How so?
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Old 12-03-2023, 07:12 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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How so?
Nearly all rapidly growing metros today are experiencing explosive growth well beyond their downtowns' center cores, for many reasons, and this outward expansion is increasingly more dense and urban in nature than the post WW2 suburban, automobile-centric development that occurred in the 1950s to 1980s.
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Old 12-04-2023, 07:51 AM
 
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Nearly all rapidly growing metros today are experiencing explosive growth well beyond their downtowns' center cores, for many reasons, and this outward expansion is increasingly more dense and urban in nature than the post WW2 suburban, automobile-centric development that occurred in the 1950s to 1980s.
In absolute terms, this may be occurring, but in relative terms, NC cities are still giant suburbs surrounding very small urban cores. And small scale, incremental development isn't going to change that. There's still far more low density development occurring than high density development, overall. It would take many, many decades of drastically different development and redevelopment patterns to change that, even if this were happening much faster than it currently is. So no, my premise isn't flawed.
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Old 12-04-2023, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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In absolute terms, this may be occurring, but in relative terms, NC cities are still giant suburbs surrounding very small urban cores. And small scale, incremental development isn't going to change that. There's still far more low density development occurring than high density development, overall. It would take many, many decades of drastically different development and redevelopment patterns to change that, even if this were happening much faster than it currently is. So no, my premise isn't flawed.
My comment was describing rapidly growing metros only. In these areas, your "premise" is flawed. This is no longer 1980.
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Old 12-04-2023, 09:52 AM
 
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My comment was describing rapidly growing metros only. In these areas, your "premise" is flawed. This is no longer 1980.
My premise applies to the cities I previously mentioned...they are rapidly growing. Rapidly growing OUT. In largely more suburban, auto dependent ways. Thats simply a fact.
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Old 12-04-2023, 10:32 AM
 
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Well in regards to Greensboro , the city will never be anything but auto dependent.. the main core stores such as Walmart, targets , and shopping centers are already in place and the house neighborhoods surrounding them are all in place.. it would def take a lot of redevelopments and starting from scratch which I don't ever see any city spending money on to do, let alone Greensboro. I mean would would want to lug grocery bags around or shopping bags around even if well under a mile...it's different from getting on a subway with ur shopping bags and getting to sit for the majority time till I reach ur destination...also on note of all the stores in place. I wonder if Target would ever build another location that's closer to downtown!
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