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Perhaps we're straying a bit from the initial premise, Do you owe it to the animal to kill quick? Regardless of whether one uses a .22LR, a howitzer, a bow, or a brick, the consensus seems to be a definite "Yes".
I agree. Strictly from my own viewpoint, one also owes the animal an explanation. (Yeah, I know -- way too spiritual for some of ya... )
-- Nighteyes [Mississippi Choctaw]
Forget the spiritual stuff! Just try role reversal. If it was us laying there dying in pain; I would hope the animal would want to run an antler through our brain and finish us off! It never appealed to me to be attacked by coyotes and eaten from the back end forward - I think I would rather have the big cat rip out my throat!
We like to think of ourselves as humane. Watching animals in pain doesn’t fit that description.
Nighteyes: I don't think of 'owing the animal an explanation' as being so much 'spiritual' as simply the avoidance of killing animals for no good reason. Well, maybe it is 'spiritual' in a sense.
No, you are fine. I think we are talking about LARGE animals. That 'yote being one of them. Deer with a .22LR? Bear with a .22LR? Come on guys! I don't know any State that allows that. Shots through the eye socket look good on forums. Out in the field, it's not always the case. I've seen plenty of coons, rabbits, woodchucks and squirrels thrash about even hit in the neck. A inch or two makes or breaks the shot. Ever see that "gator" show on TV. They don't always die either. Some got down right POed and lashed out at the hunter. Sure a .22LR CAN kill these animals. A .44 magnum WILL!
A .22 is technically legal on bears and deer in Vermont. That said, the only hunters I know of who do so, are the poachers, as it's a quiet round.
A .22 is technically legal on bears and deer in Vermont. That said, the only hunters I know of who do so, are the poachers, as it's a quiet round.
Look at it this way. They didn't invent and come out with the .500 S&W and weapon system (revolver) for shooting targets. That was a "special" round and handgun designed for a purpose such as that.
Nighteyes: I don't think of 'owing the animal an explanation' as being so much 'spiritual' as simply the avoidance of killing animals for no good reason. Well, maybe it is 'spiritual' in a sense.
Or at least the demonstration of respect.
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Originally Posted by catman
I just hunt paper targets!
Actually, that's true of me now as well. Plus, I am occasionally called upon to use a brace of converted Remington New Model Army revolvers, an 1866 Winchester, and an 1878 Colt Coach Gun (double-barreled shotgun) to repel the attack of up to 26 steel plates.
I used to hunt as a kid - now I don't..The life force is strong and it is never a certain thing that you can dispatch an animal instantly...there are always problems...that are highly un-pleasant..IF you have to kill a creature..it should be done instantly..so as the animal does not even realize that it has died..other than being the perfect shot or expert in a slaughter house - best not to bother...nothing worse that an animal that is injured and suffering in pain and panic....It is horrific...I don't hunt anymore...nor do I bother even killing a stray wasp that flys into the house - I open the window and send it on it's way...Killing is simply bad...unless for food that is totally neccesary..or if you are about to be killed...
The old saying "he would not even harm a fly" rings true with me. Some people will kill a fly - for no reason...I just don't understand that mentality...Life is to be respected - from insect to human...If we do not have that basic love and respect for life - our lives become more and more cheap..and of little value - also - I am not big on capitial punishement...either....confine and detain...but do not kill..........................."Thou shall not kill" - in my books means - do not kill with out good reason...and there are few good reasons.
For a quick "humane" Kill,nothing beats the Lazzorni 7.82 Warbird. @ 3700fps with a 150 grain bullet it delivers over 4000 fp of energy @ 100 yards. "yotes" will become a pink cloud of vapor. Hows that for humane? Long Magnum Cartridges
And in case anyone is wondering, I have shot one, a truly remarkable weapon.
I'm sure it's effective, but it sounds like way overdoing it to me. Not to mention the recoil! Not too humane to the shooter.
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Sure a .22LR CAN kill these animals. A .44 magnum WILL!
