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My point is that *I* don't decide what car, house, television, stove, fridge, coffee, shirt, shoes, or dinner that anyone else should own or enjoy.
No one else has the right to decide that for me either.
Before anyone asks the obvious question, I will answer it....
I consider a gun to be no different than any of the above mentioned items. I do not believe it is anyone else's right to decide for me whether or not I should own one or more guns, nor the configuration of them. I follow the law, whether or not I agree with any particular part of any of the law, I still follow it.
In the end of the argument, no one has any more right to curtail my freedoms to own firearms, than I have to curtail their freedoms to choose a car, house, television, coffee, shirt, shoes, or dinner.
This looks like a tough crowd. Why would anyone need anything more than a handgun or a hunting rifle?
Is need relevant? Why do we need more than one religion? Why do we need more than one car? Why do we need anything beyond food, water & shelter?
We dont, but in this country need has nothing to do with any discussion about freedom, other than we need to respect it. We need to let people pray as they choose, buy 50 cars if they want, print ridiculous stuff and own whatever guns they want, because its a free country & 'NEED" has nothing to do with it.
Is need relevant? Why do we need more than one religion? Why do we need more than one car? Why do we need anything beyond food, water & shelter?
We dont, but in this country need has nothing to do with any discussion about freedom, other than we need to respect it. We need to let people pray as they choose, buy 50 cars if they want, print ridiculous stuff and own whatever guns they want, because its a free country & 'NEED" has nothing to do with it.
Excellent response.
I don't need a grenade launcher, fully automatic weapons, silencers, a cannon, (though if I am attacked by flesh-eating zombies I might), but I own them because the last time I checked, the US is the 'land of the free' (well becoming less so every day). But, I digress.
Excellent response.
I don't need a grenade launcher, fully automatic weapons, silencers, a cannon, (though if I am attacked by flesh-eating zombies I might), but I own them because the last time I checked, the US is the 'land of the free' (well becoming less so every day). But, I digress.
I do! (it is 1AM here right now).... I keep them all stored in the US, because getting them to another country, is, well virtually impossible. They are stored in a storage unit in NH, that is monitored by cameras. Haven't shot one in many a month.
I wonder about your fixation on who I am/where I live/what I own. Sort of creepy.
Excellent response.
I don't need a grenade launcher, fully automatic weapons, silencers, a cannon, (though if I am attacked by flesh-eating zombies I might), but I own them because the last time I checked, the US is the 'land of the free' (well becoming less so every day). But, I digress.
You ought to start a thread about the cannon - black powder I guess?
I always looked at the old Dixie Gun Works catalog and the small black powder mortars they offered, IIRC they suggested an empty frozen orange juice can filled with cement as a projectile (and a place to shoot it where that would not damange anything important on "re-entry"). Never had the money to spend on one as a kid.
Agreed, it ain't about what you "need" (and according to whom, do you need what?) but what you want.
You ought to start a thread about the cannon - black powder I guess?
I always looked at the old Dixie Gun Works catalog and the small black powder mortars they offered, IIRC they suggested an empty frozen orange juice can filled with cement as a projectile (and a place to shoot it where that would not damange anything important on "re-entry"). Never had the money to spend on one as a kid.
Agreed, it ain't about what you "need" (and according to whom, do you need what?) but what you want.
Ok, I am going to totally digress:
I love civil war cannons... they are so majestic. I had a pair in my front yard, on each side of a flagpole. The M1841 six-pounder is my favorite. You can build a replica of one, as there are several manufacturers (one in South Bend Indiana SBR Gunbarrels - South Bend Replicas, Inc. Antique Civil War artillery reproductions. Replicas including cannons, muzzleloading artillery, antique cannon reproductions, antique cannon replicas, muzzleloading ordnance, muzzleloading supplies, Civil Wa), but building the carriage is one complex woodworking job. The wheels were easily the most difficult part. Now I know the definition of a 'spokeshave'. One company takes the propeller shafts from decommissioned ships (hardened steel), and spins them on a lathe to make the barrels (the barrel on a 6-pounder weighs somewhere near 880lbs, so you need a tractor to put it in place. Others use a cast-steel shell with a hardened-steel liner. You could fire a ball, but you better be in the middle of absolute nowhere. I just fired them with black powder (much to one neighbor's dismay). I would never put in a ball. IIRC correctly (it has been years), a six-pounder will put a ball through 4 feet of oak. The originals would not go higher than about 5 degrees of elevation, but if you could tilt it up, the ball would go for miles. Since it is a fixed-breech, no license of any sort is needed to own one (though setting one off, even with only black powder in it, may get you in trouble for noise ordinances. These things are really loud. Powder isn't cheap, and you will go through a lot of it. My next goal, when I am back in the states, is to build a mountain howitzer... much smaller, shorter barrel, much lighter, and that is from the period when they figured out that you want to lob the projectile, not fire it directly.
'nuff of a digression... back to 'what people should be allowed to possess'. But perhaps we should start a thread on cannons...
Originally Posted by BobTex We are the government!
I agree, it’s now a government of the corporations, by the corporations, for the corporations…
no, it's the "Nanny state" syndrome. Letting the state/government determine what is proper and safe for an individual to own and use, treating it's citizens like children. There are laws against using firearms for criminal purposes. Those are just. But laws prohibiting firearms because they just may be used for criminal purposes. That is unjust. That is nanny-state logic.
Strangely enough, there is a segment of the citizens that want to be told what to do by the government.
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One company takes the propeller shafts from decommissioned ships (hardened steel), and spins them on a lathe to make the barrels (the barrel on a 6-pounder weighs somewhere near 880lbs, so you need a tractor to put it in place. Others use a cast-steel shell with a hardened-steel liner. You could fire a ball, but you better be in the middle of absolute nowhere. I just fired them with black powder (much to one neighbor's dismay). I would never put in a ball. IIRC correctly (it has been years), a six-pounder will put a ball through 4 feet of oak. The originals would not go higher than about 5 degrees of elevation, but if you could tilt it up, the ball would go for miles. Since it is a fixed-breech, no license of any sort is needed to own one (though setting one off, even with only black powder in it, may get you in trouble for noise ordinances. These things are really loud. Powder isn't cheap, and you will go through a lot of it. My next goal, when I am back in the states, is to build a mountain howitzer... much smaller, shorter barrel, much lighter, and that is from the period when they figured out that you want to lob the projectile, not fire it directly.
