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Hunting is "sport?" 95% of the hunters I have ever seen have been grotesquely fat and out of shape. I run marathons 7 times a year. Let these sadists lace up their shoes and run 26.2 miles in 3.5 hours. Instead they cowardly hang from trees and brutally blow away a majestic bear while putting honey by a tree.
WOW!!! WHAT SPORT!!! WHAT SKILL! Baiting a bear and blowing it away so they can get a "thrill." Boy... what "men."
I despise hunters. Any animal on earth has more compassion, intelligence and humanity than any hunter who mindlessly murders innocent creatures.
Wow! You are SO mis-informed, and wrongly opinionated, but this IS after all, America, and we can't all get it right. Else... we'd all be right, right?
Your denial or critique of our obvious aboriginal heritage, those genetic memories and the feelings that come up when one is actually undergoing the difficulties and successes of stalking and taking literally any wild and fully survival-aware animal, is painfully pitiful.
Your insulting post also clearly indicates that you've never actually hunted anything, preferring to get your protein by the efforts of others.
That is, unless you're a purebred Vegan, in which case you also don't have a logical leg to stand aquiver on (see my post above about the ecological effects of vast mono-cultures...)
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I'll take a bet that I can travel a 26.2 mile course faster than you can, in December in my location, by foot. You may dress any way you like, as will I.
Many hunters do not consider bear baiting as "hunting". Go check out the Ted Nugent threads in the Alaska Forum.
So by that you despise the bears you so eloquently praise in your first paragraph, along with in just North America, weasels, mink, badger, otter, wolverine, fox (red and arctic), coyotes, wolves, bobcat, lynx, cougar, jaguar, and of course various species of cetaceans, and shark. They're all animals too, how can you reconcile this logical contradiction?
I hunt, I eat what I hunt, I'm omnivorous, and I don't trophy hunt. If you're not a vegan (and even then there are animals killed to ensure crop yields, for example various insects, birds and rodents) you're position is hypocritical.
Well stated, Gungnir. This is also quite a bit off the original OP however, having turned into a rant by the anti-hunting (and probably also anti-gun... ) fantasy types whose understanding of global ecosystems is all out of the pages of Cosmo or Genteel Living Quarterly.
As for my own meat gathering, I'm disabled by nasty arthritis, and yet I still prefer to have the health benefits of ultra-low wild meat, and also the fact that any animal I go after won't die cruelly. I work very hard to get into a clear killing position, and the target animal generally doesn't even know I'm in the area!
After all my research on them, I really didn't think I'd particularly like bear meat, but was therefore very surprised when I was served some roast bear one evening about 18 yrs ago. It tasted like really good, but very healthy, roast beef. The hunter had worked long and hard for two years to get himself into the right place, mindset and timing to harvest that prime animal, who would have been dead by natural causes (including nasty debilitating diseases, old age starvation, worn-out teeth or claws, nasty arthritic degeneration, attacks by some younger and far more agressive bears, wolves, and so on. We realists call it...uhmmm.... "reality".)
The real world is far more"cruel" (a purely human concept however...) than that, with no actual grinning Bambi fawns, Thumpers or friendly Bart the Bear types (who I've actually met & worked with, and who thoroughly enjoys his human-provided foods treats and cuddles..).
To unthinkingly assume so, and to then wildly label both hunting and hunters as sadistic? What a load, and obviously coming from a place of total inexperience, I'd wager. Of course there are "loony" types in every human endeavor, but I know of far more sadistic human behavioral types who openly prey on other humans in bars or match-maker "clubs", etc.
Fact: It's we humans that don't treat each other so well.
Hunting is "sport?" 95% of the hunters I have ever seen have been grotesquely fat and out of shape. I run marathons 7 times a year. Let these sadists lace up their shoes and run 26.2 miles in 3.5 hours. Instead they cowardly hang from trees and brutally blow away a majestic bear while putting honey by a tree.
WOW!!! WHAT SPORT!!! WHAT SKILL! Baiting a bear and blowing it away so they can get a "thrill." Boy... what "men."
I despise hunters. Any animal on earth has more compassion, intelligence and humanity than any hunter who mindlessly murders innocent creatures.
So, you eat meat? Right, I mean you have told us how much you run and that you are so much better than us. So you eat meat.
How did those running shoe's do for you, I suppose that you change them out every 300-600 miles or 6 months (which eve comes first). You know those shoes made of leather.
From 1988 - 2009, I have run about 3-5 miles everyday (not including weekends) for 20+ years, can you top that, if you can good, if not, you were beat by a hunter.
So, back to them shoes, were they cow, deer, or how about moose? Do you know?
You show true ignorance, not understanding, nor even attempting to listen or much less read what has been presented to you in this very thread. You seen that first picture and started on a little rant, and in your mind "you told them damn hunters, they suck, and I TOLD THEM SO" sorry you live in such a small box.
.............Hunting with a bow and arrow is cruel and sadistic, and thus out of the realm of "sport."
Well, no, it is not. It is obvious that you have never bowhunted.
Bowhunting evens up the odds a bit for the deer as the hunter must be significantly closer to even be within shooting range. It is much more likely that the deer will scent or see the hunters movement and the hunter will have no shot at all compared to rifle hunting.
Bad shots happen with a bow just as they do with a rifle. I suspect the hunter did not intentionally miss in such a way for the deer to walk about wounded and suffering. I suspect when one uses reason to consider the subject at hand rather than emotion one might come to a similar conclusion. YMMV.
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.........I despise hunters. Any animal on earth has more compassion, intelligence and humanity than any hunter who mindlessly murders innocent creatures.
Well, no, only humans have humanity. You call hunting murder, I call it harvesting meat. I suspect you've never spent much time in the wild and watched animals kill for the joy of the hunt or waste their prey/food have you? Well, they do. Grizzley bears are terrible at wiping out salmon, eating only part before fishing for the next. Ever seen a feral cat indiscrimanetly hunt/kill just for the joy of it? Cats are real wildlife destroyers.
So you are a marathon runner, great for you. Has anyone come to your sub-forum and insulted you for your chosen activity/sport? Does running marathons put food on the table for your family or do anything to actually benefit wildlife? The dollars from hunting permits goes toward state Conservation efforts and habitat restoration.
My estimation is that anti-hunting folks have no grasp on the realities of wildlife, of hunting, of where the funds from permits and the sale of hunting goods goes, and are mostly just arrogant and insufferable to be around. YMMV.
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Hunting is "sport?" 95% of the hunters I have ever seen have been grotesquely fat and out of shape. I run marathons 7 times a year. Let these sadists lace up their shoes and run 26.2 miles in 3.5 hours. Instead they cowardly hang from trees and brutally blow away a majestic bear while putting honey by a tree.
WOW!!! WHAT SPORT!!! WHAT SKILL! Baiting a bear and blowing it away so they can get a "thrill." Boy... what "men."
I despise hunters. Any animal on earth has more compassion, intelligence and humanity than any hunter who mindlessly murders innocent creatures.
You know, when you mindlessly through statistics out, it's meaningless. The numbers have no meaning. It's like saying that 95% of all runners are dental assistants.
To bow hunt, or to hunt with a rile, takes great skill and expertise. You have to go through State Required Training and be able to pass. Even prior to that, a father or uncle takes a young child out and teaches them to shoot, they teach them compassion, safety, how to get along with land owners, how to make sure the hunting or shooting area is cleaner when they leave, then it was when they got there.
You pay a fee to have a hunting license and that money is used for many programs. It really depends on the state, but usually that money is used for land management of wildlife. It pays for fences, roads, trails, trail markings, parking areas, etc... The money is put into refuges for upland game birds to give them a better habitat. It's used in programs to reintroduce animals that are near extinction. It puts a lot of money into programs for safety in schools and the general public. It puts money into fish hatchery's to breed and crossbreed fish to better withstand the environment. Game and fish get a big chunk so they can patrol and work against poachers and mindless killing of wildlife. There are a lot of things that money goes to, that even you use and enjoy.
But a marathon, wow. You put money into it and get a t-shirt. Where does the rest of the money go? Do they use it for other programs, or do they just make sure everybody gets some bottled water and a t-shirt? Is there any special things you do to become a runner, or can just anybody do it? Is it a honored tradition passed down from father to son? Was your dad a marathon runner? Did he pass down his tennis shoes to you?
The true sources of wildlife management funding and conservation.
Good point about the input of big funding from state hunting, trapping & fishing licence fees! In fact and sadly, many states have found ways to hijack some of that pre-designated fund, skimming some off the top of the originally designated allocations to pay fo some (usually...) GEP* programs. another topic true, but again, the dollars generated by hunting, fishing & a lot of the resulting tourism (motels, sporting goods, boat rentals, even vehicle fuels, and so on, is NOT insignificant. It has, in fact, created a lot of wildlife conservation efforts and literally .
And then all those other dedicated groups like Ducks Unlimited, and the similar Elk-, Quail-, and so on... "Unlimited" versions? Those groups have singlehandedly been instrumental in preserving or better yet, returning once-devastated farm land back into valuable, and even critical habitat.
Her's an article on just waterfowl hunting's fiscal contribution alone:
Anti-hunting diatribes and laws based on bogus science has "created" nothing but a lot of illiterate people, those with a typical socialist/liberal agenda to force others to behave according to their poorly thought-out mandates.
Folks like PETA, Vegans, various vocal anti-hunting groups and other uninformed loonoids. Too bad for them we have science on our side, huh?
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I don't expect to hear from those 2 anymore, they did their damage (or they think they did) and are now on some other board boasting about "how they told those hunters" a thing or 2 (chest beating, making themselves think they did some good).
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Hunting is "sport?" 95% of the hunters I have ever seen have been grotesquely fat and out of shape. I run marathons 7 times a year. Let these sadists lace up their shoes and run 26.2 miles in 3.5 hours. Instead they cowardly hang from trees and brutally blow away a majestic bear while putting honey by a tree.
WOW!!! WHAT SPORT!!! WHAT SKILL! Baiting a bear and blowing it away so they can get a "thrill." Boy... what "men."
I despise hunters. Any animal on earth has more compassion, intelligence and humanity than any hunter who mindlessly murders innocent creatures.
I must admit that I am often tempted to be slightly offput when I meet an enthusiastic hunter who does not take care of him/herself, smokes fluently and for whom walking 200 yards to a box blind is a real test, however, I would add that "murder" is the unlawful killing of a human by another human, especially with components of unusual malice and/or forethought. It can't really be applied to the slaughter of livestock or the harvest of game. Words do have meanings for a reason and the failure to recognize those meanings may fall under the definition of another word: "Ignoramus".
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Hunting is "sport?" 95% of the hunters I have ever seen have been grotesquely fat and out of shape. I run marathons 7 times a year. Let these sadists lace up their shoes and run 26.2 miles in 3.5 hours. Instead they cowardly hang from trees and brutally blow away a majestic bear while putting honey by a tree.
WOW!!! WHAT SPORT!!! WHAT SKILL! Baiting a bear and blowing it away so they can get a "thrill." Boy... what "men."
I despise hunters. Any animal on earth has more compassion, intelligence and humanity than any hunter who mindlessly murders innocent creatures.
Can anything good come of this post? Inaccuracies and and hateful flaming abound. I wonder why it is allowed to stand. Maybe it will light a fire under those that hunt to be proactive politically. I admit I was gut hooked.
I personally would find no joy in bear baiting but if legal then why say anything? But in areas where bear population are becoming nuisances and dangerous any method should be employed as a control.
I think the problem will be when the above type of thinkers( U61) become the majority then hunting will be banned (incrementally) for those who follow us. It has already happened in many other places around the globe. It's coming here.
I've never considered hunting sport any more than, for example, harvesting potatoes or picking oranges. It's hunting, not sport. As a previous poster pointed out, sport is play - hunting is something else. There is certainly a recreational aspect and there is certainly a sense of satisfaction associated with a successful hunt (which is absolutely unaffected by one's status as a subsistance hunter or the time period in which one lived - a successful harvest has always been satisfying) - but that's not sport. If the sport angle is central to any argument against hunting, it's probably a fundamentally flawed argument. Whether or not bow hunting is cruel and sadistic is definitely a matter of opinion and there are innumerable points and counterpoints for both sides of the coin. I don't think that argument goes anywhere; it reduces to "No it isn't - Yes it is", which proves nothing.
I am a human being - which makes me a natural hunter - and if you can't understand the appeal then you've probably denied your nature and you're probably misunderstanding mine. It's certainly your choice, just as mine is mine, but I doubt you will find many hunters proselytizing to vegans, for example.
ALL sports originated from hunting or combat and evolved into what we have today. Sports are games today but some are still blood sports & hunting is one. We pit ourselves against the senses of the animals. I view it as sport anyway but admit its a perception thing. Paying to shoot pigs or deer or cattle or whatever in a pen isnt sport, but walking into the woods with a bow or gun and looking for a deer or bear sure is in my opinion.
Tried to rep you but was blocked. The cruelty inflicted by bow hunting is disgusting and unnecessary by any standard.
Hmm, just how many bow killed game animals have you seen? I see several dozen a year and the vast majority are clean hits through the vitals. Much less cruel & disgusting than a coyote or wolf pulling out a deers organs & eating them while the animal is still alive. You need to leave your emotion out of it, it has n place in the natural world. All that human emotion has ever done in nature is screw it up.
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It is indefensible. Acknowledging that it is inhumane and unnecessary in this day and age hardly makes one a "fanatic" or an "animal rights activist." There is just no need for this, but selfishness on the part of some humans.
Based on what? Its entirely defensible, has been studied & scrutinized by experts in many fields and determined to be an effective way to humanely harvest big game animals. The NEED is plain to any rational person who lives where deer live. Unless you live in a remote area of Alaska or possibly a few remote areas in Wyoming or similar low population density areas the fact is we already killed off 99% of the natural predators so that you can stand on your soap box & spew ignorance & misinformation. Since we killed the bears, wolves & large cats that once ate the deer something NEEDS to be done. In addition, since we tend to live in communities there are many places where it is not safe to shoot guns. Because of these two realities regulated bowhunting has grown into the SPORT it is today. Ignoring these facts doesnt make you a fanatic or animal rights activist. But it sure dont make you look like the brightest candle on the cake.
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This is not a debate about vegetarianism - or even about hunting.
Its not really a debate about anything. Its a confused nonsensical rant.
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I live in North Eastern Pennsylvania, in the Appalachian Mountains. There are people here who hunt for their food in the late fall, and fish in the summer. It's how they eat, out of necessity.
Bullsnot. They may choose to hunt for a large percent of their food but actual subsistance hunting is nearly unheard of today. North Eastern PA might as well be New Jersey. I'm sure they like to eat the fish & deer they take & I certainly support their right to do so, but north east PA is not in the middle of nowhere, the people there work & pay bills like the rest of us.
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This however, is sadistic.
Are there any hunters who agree that this is cruel?
This one doesnt.
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You are a human being, not a Mountain Lion, or a Native American in the eighteenth century. And this has NOTHING to do with deer over population - the method of choice is expensive and inhumane.
Again your ignorance of the reality of the situation is evident in everything you say. What is the alternative?
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If you want to shoot things with bows and arrows, why does it need to be a sentient being ? I don't get it.
And I'm glad that I don't.
Because they NEED to die & they taste good. Have you ever eaten an archery target?
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Archery is a sport. As fencing is. But people do not actually duel anymore. We settle our problems without swords, yet the sport remains.
Whats your point? People certainly still kill each other & animals with edged weapons. Not all archers are hunters just as not all riflemen are hunters.
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Hunting with a bow and arrow is cruel and sadistic, and thus out of the realm of "sport."
Again, based on what? I can honestly say that the most horrific wounds I'v seen on deer came from guns not archery, but its still irrelevant. Bows are a very effective, efficient & easy to master method of taking game. Oh yeah,, they call it "game" because hunting is a sport.
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) fantasy types whose understanding of global ecosystems is all out of the pages of Cosmo or Genteel Living Quarterly. 
Well, no, only humans have humanity. You call hunting murder, I call it harvesting meat. I suspect you've never spent much time in the wild and watched animals kill for the joy of the hunt or waste their prey/food have you? Well, they do. Grizzley bears are terrible at wiping out salmon, eating only part before fishing for the next. Ever seen a feral cat indiscrimanetly hunt/kill just for the joy of it? Cats are real wildlife destroyers.
The true sources of wildlife management funding and conservation.
