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Let's say the drug trade is effectively ceased. There are scores of illegal guns out there -- both in the US and in the drug-producing countries. What becomes of them? There will still be an illegal market for them since they are illegal. There will still be gangbangers who have to prove their machismo, jealous spouses, greedy partners, folks with a grudge. The demand only shifts. How do we collect all the illegal guns?
So what's your argument..."let's start nowhere?" A good chunk of illegal guns will end up off the streets by attrition from the illegal drug trade ending. Turf wars are primarily over drug dealing markets, not the Sharks vs Jets of the '50s. If gun battles begin over human trafficking then that can take center stage. Should be no problem to get political traction for the "War Against Human Trafficking." Yes, for the 10th time there will be of those domestic issues....which is all of about a fraction of the annual illegal gun death totals. So let's focus on the small picture and ignore the big one first. Classic.
We don't collect or eradicate all the illegal guns. That is absurd and impossible. We start by taking away the root cause of the highest percentage of (illegal) gun violence and by logic, the # of guns (and crime, and prisoners) drops substantially.
your dreaming. get the idea that drugs will be legalized out of your head and get a plan b.
your better off believing the tooth fairy will fix things. criminals need money and no matter what the options are to get it they will do it. the mafia operated just fine for decades with no drugs,
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As I said before why do politicians even entertain what the NRA says, that said why is it assumed that educators want to carry a firearm and use it if necessary. People who "may" use a firearm in their job are continually trained and have an entire network to support them should they have to fire in the line of duty (and neighborhood watch is not a postion requiring firearms).
What happens when a school officials fires and kills someone and then they realise the gun was not real or they over reacted? Please let the community provide a trained law enforcement official to be on site.
So what's your argument..."let's start nowhere?" A good chunk of illegal guns will end up off the streets by attrition from the illegal drug trade ending. Turf wars are primarily over drug dealing markets, not the Sharks vs Jets of the '50s. If gun battles begin over human trafficking then that can take center stage. Should be no problem to get political traction for the "War Against Human Trafficking." Yes, for the 10th time there will be of those domestic issues....which is all of about a fraction of the annual illegal gun death totals. So let's focus on the small picture and ignore the big one first. Classic.
We don't collect or eradicate all the illegal guns. That is absurd and impossible. We start by taking away the root cause of the highest percentage of (illegal) gun violence and by logic, the # of guns (and crime, and prisoners) drops substantially.
I see your logic mongoose and some of it is sound, but lets be realistic here: this will never ever happen. I actually think a 100% firearms ban would be more likely than legalizing all drugs. All that will come out of this mess is another assault weapons/magazine ban, (hopefully) close the stupid gunshow background check loopholes, and maybe(but doubtful) a national gun registry. I also bet NY laws will get even stricter. Anything more is a pipe dream.
your dreaming. get the idea that drugs will be legalized out of your head and get a plan b.
your better off believing the tooth fairy will fix things. criminals need money and no matter what the options are to get it they will do it. the mafia operated just fine for decades with no drugs,
Hmmm. Mafia with no drugs? Read a book. Another one with a well thought out rebuttal like "duh, it'll never happen." Like any of the other hare-brained notions, particularly anything dipstick LaPierre had to say are likely to happen. At least my idea won't happen but WOULD WORK.
I see your logic mongoose and some of it is sound, but lets be realistic here: this will never ever happen. I actually think a 100% firearms ban would be more likely than legalizing all drugs. All that will come out of this mess is another assault weapons/magazine ban, (hopefully) close the stupid gunshow background check loopholes, and maybe(but doubtful) a national gun registry. I also bet NY laws will get even stricter. Anything more is a pipe dream.
100% opposite. Drugs will be legal long before guns are banned. The NRA and 2nd amendment types are solidly dug in against getting a gun pried from their cold dead hands. The illegal drug trade has no lobbying group and pot is less than a decade from full legalization across the country already. The prisons are full and healthcare is expanding to include addiction treatment. Momentum towards decriminalization is in full swing. Momentum against guns is based on the shooting at Newtown. People will forget quickly when the next atrocity comes along. The gun battle is already falling back behind the fiscal cliff battle.
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