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Old 12-14-2013, 04:48 PM
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While it sounds sensible for restrictions on nut jobs owning guns how do you prevent mass shootings by a dedicated nut job?,at what point do you say some one has the potential to commit a mass shooting therefore we should lock him up for life? rules and regulations are kinda useless in a country with so many guns and so many seemingly normal people using them to settle their problems.Unless draconian legislation is enacted whereby all guns are made illegal which has absolutely no chance of ever happening, about all any one can do is watch or read about people dying everyday from gun related incidents..
I believe if you have any underage children then your guns should be locked up at all times where they can't get their hands on them. There are safes just for your home protection gun that can be opened quickly.

If you have a "slow" kid in your house it's OK for him to play the banjo but not with your guns.
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Old 12-15-2013, 06:19 AM
 
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I believe if you have any underage children then your guns should be locked up at all times where they can't get their hands on them. There are safes just for your home protection gun that can be opened quickly.

If you have a "slow" kid in your house it's OK for him to play the banjo but not with your guns.
I don't agree and think this kind of thinking is what leads to the hatred of guns. I grew up in North Michigan. My dad had several guns in his closet and 4 boys and we never had a problem as we were taught what they were and when we could use them at an early age. Its when people keep guns in a home and try to keep kids ignorant of what they are that problems happen. When I was in High School we took our fathers hunting rifles to class and laid them on our desks actions open to be inspected by the teacher before gong to the school forest and doing deer drives. The School had several 22 bolts and three or four shotguns in the school store room, and we loaded our own shot gun shells in class. Now its so stupid you get suspended if you bite a pop tart into a gun shape. LOL Its the idea that kids are so dumb you can't teach them properly, you may as well say to put knives in a lock box, you hammer and saws and the car keys in lock boxes. I think this is the start of a bad down hill degrading of our youth. IMHO
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Old 12-15-2013, 07:50 AM
 
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I don't agree and think this kind of thinking is what leads to the hatred of guns. I grew up in North Michigan. My dad had several guns in his closet and 4 boys and we never had a problem as we were taught what they were and when we could use them at an early age. Its when people keep guns in a home and try to keep kids ignorant of what they are that problems happen.
I tend to agree. Perhaps for different reasons.

Basically 99% of safes are used as a crutch so that the person who has one need not worry about family members having accidental access. They won't stop criminals stealing the guns or the safe, I had a friend who lost 3 safe's full of guns from his basement, they broke the concrete to release the bolts and dragged them through a half window with a tow strap and winch. However back to topic familiarity breeds contempt, and there will come a day when someone's gun is unsecured either left out, or in the safe but the safe isn't locked. Their kid (or a visiting neighbor or relative) walks by. However because said owner has a safe they've never really taken much time to drill their kid or visitors in don't mess with guns they're not toys, or taken much time to train them in safety or ensured their was proper supervision. When that happens it's literally Russian Roulette. Then in one instance a kid gets shot and it's an unresponsible gun owner leaving their guns lying around and they even had a safe, how stupid can they be? These people shouldn't be trusted with guns, because they're too stupid to secure them from their kids.

In reality all that happened is that life got in the way, they had a safe so they felt more comfortable putting off or went easy with the drilling of don't touch, and safety training. They weren't fully concentrating when they put their guns away, or were rushing to do something else. If they hadn't had that safe though, those kids would have either not been there without adult supervision (neighbors/relatives) or would know that any messing with a gun would result in a fate worse than death, and the don't touch training and safe handling would have been done.

There's actually quite a lot of studies done on this kind of thing, it's called Risk Compensation, if you believe that a level of risk is reduced, then you have a tendency to be more careless, until your perceived risk and target risk are the same (i.e the net reduction in risk is zero).
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Old 12-16-2013, 04:35 PM
 
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Yawn

Taking my assault weapon to the range tomorrow, in CA no less LMAO. Might even buy another one while I'm there LOLZ
You cannot do that in New York, Maryland, and Colorado. Even the 22lr versions are no longer legal to be sold in those states.
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Old 12-16-2013, 06:07 PM
 
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I am a gun owner and I don't want mentally disturbed to own guns. Why is it that so many paranoid gun owners just don't seem to care?

What is so bad about background checks or safety training to own a firearm.

Stop this nonsense about only criminals will have guns. Criminals will always have guns because they source them from law abiding gun owners either by stealing or buying them.

The real paranoid people are not the anti gun people they are gun owners.

Anti gun people are not going to gun shops and buying up all the ammo so gun owners can't get any.
It's the paranoid owners who are hoarding.

BTW I think every homeowner in every state should have a gun for home protection except for the nut jobs.

Keep guns out of the hands of nut jobs and the anti gunners will go away.
The problem is what constitutes "mentally disturbed" can very greatly and be twisted like a pretzel. For example, in PA you can be subjected to a 302, a 72 hour involuntary commitment, for simply stating that you contemplated suicide in the past 30 days. In reality you don't even have to ever say those words, someone simply has to have heard you say it(and I'm sure no one ever lies). If that happens? Bam, your second amendment rights are gone. This very same thing happened to Virginia activist early this year, as VA has a similar law. While I do think true nut cases like the kid in Connecticut should be kept away from firearms, the truth is it can hard to make that determination before they finally do something horrible.
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Old 12-17-2013, 12:06 AM
 
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I am a gun owner and I don't want mentally disturbed to own guns. Why is it that so many paranoid gun owners just don't seem to care?

What is so bad about background checks or safety training to own a firearm.

Stop this nonsense about only criminals will have guns. Criminals will always have guns because they source them from law abiding gun owners either by stealing or buying them.

The real paranoid people are not the anti gun people they are gun owners.

Anti gun people are not going to gun shops and buying up all the ammo so gun owners can't get any.
It's the paranoid owners who are hoarding.

BTW I think every homeowner in every state should have a gun for home protection except for the nut jobs.

Keep guns out of the hands of nut jobs and the anti gunners will go away.


it is none of the governments business. if all they did was do a background check and then destroty all the paperwork that was connected with that firearm, then maybe, but do you really think that any paperwork was ever destroyed after the 90 days that congress told them.

hell no, they have all that paperwork stashed.

wish congress would have attached a federal felony to each piece of paperwork kept passed the 90 days.
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